Hey guys I'm utterly scratching my head that our gubbiment has the tiniest teeniest shred of inteligence between them. First of they came up with this grand scheme showing the fuel economy of a vehicle. That the AA has been doing exactly that for many years really escaped them. That the AA system was simple and easy to understandheck that was too easy. Now we have the new emissions law taking effect Jan 1st. Figure this bit out. a car made in December 2003 doesn't meet their standards yet the IDENTICAL car built in January 2004 does. That really makes sense And we also have the substantial increase in the cost to register a diesel car. Somehow a 2.0l diesel caldina auto is conciderably more dangerous than a 2.0l petrol caldina (for example) Its sillyness like this that has me thinking to take a vote of NO confidence in the election
trdbzr,
Nov 21, 4:21pm
Doesn't matter who you vote for, all politicians are idiots and only come up with policies that make it look like they are actually doing something, no matter how unrealistic and stupid those policies are in real life scenarios.
terckon,
Nov 21, 4:28pm
The government is like everyone else, just wanting your last $. Why do we have to register all our vehicles when we can only drive one at a time, why not register the driver and charge them for all of the different classes of licences. Let me answer that one, they would lose money. Fact, when the registration went up to $540 for a motorbike over 600cc's the government lost revenue because most people were putting their bikes on hold registration, and still riding them, fines were cheaper than the rego. Yes, there are some stupid rules out there.
thejazzpianoma,
Nov 21, 4:28pm
Its time we demanded change in this area. The fuel economy figures they use are not consistent (with how they are measured) and are often blatantly wrong so are actually doing more harm than good.
The silly RUC system discourages the uptake of some of the most economical cars of all (small diesels).
ACC is charged on every vehicle you own when you can only drive one at a time.
Its time motorists (and lets face it thats pretty much everyone) stopped being a cash cow because "cars are bad" and the Government who we elect started working of US again.
That said, I won't be voting Labour. I just wish National would wake up to things like this.
mm12345,
Nov 21, 4:29pm
It's a silly system, where some ACC levy is paid through petrol road tax, "top up" through registration.
The whole thing is a bit crazy, WOF and registration should be a combined transaction.RUC should be included in diesel price - like most other countries.Rebates for RUC for agricultural vehicles should be easy, there are even GPS systems which record and tally on and off-road use.
vtecintegra,
Nov 21, 4:31pm
It isn't nearly as simple as that, its different percentages of ACC coming from registration and RUCs/tax at the pump. What works out cheaper depends on how many miles you do.
What they should really do IMO is remove all ACC from registration and shit it to fuel/RUCs
rayzor14,
Nov 21, 4:40pm
Hah. This makes as much sense as the introduction of "pre 1996 frontal impact regulations" some years back. Various models (my experience at that time was around Nissan imports) could have been made in December 1996 and be inelligible yet the very same model with NO changes to specification of safety was permitted.
As an example, a december 1996 BCNR33 (R33 GTR Skyline) was inelligible. It had two frontal airbags, collapsible column, self tensioning belts, side impact intrustion - the list goes on. The identical model made a mere month later was ok - it didnt differ in any way from the 1996 model.
To further illustrate the stupidity of this rule we have a waiver now for vehicles deemed as low volume classics. The implications of that are that the Skyline or 300ZX that was deemed as inelligible to be driven on NZ roads in 2002 has now magically become safe.
Just on the diesel costs of registration alone I have twice made decisions around company vehicles in the last month to buy petrols. The ever increasing cost of registration and road user charges for diesel light vehicles was and continues to make it a tough call over petrol.
Seeking any form of justification from Government is like asking God to pop on down and justify his actions in Christchurch or Pike River - it just aint gonna happen.
So, a vote of no confidence, I'm all for it.
richynuts,
Nov 21, 4:48pm
Agree.I have 6 roadbikes, now only ever have one bike registered at a time before it would be at least 3 of them, mostly always on hold now. the government would of made more money from me if they had just left things alone.
neo_psy,
Nov 21, 4:53pm
Well, the short answer is they have to put a line in the sand somewhere. Can you imagine the drama if they tried to do it per model of vehicle "Well, that's an Atenza 23Z, it's different to a 23S"
It's like the GST on the Customs ROE thing - they have to put a line in the sand. Some will like it, and some wont.
trdbzr,
Nov 21, 5:12pm
Actually it would be easy if they did a per model thing for cars, its not that much work, but god forbid public servants actually do what they get paid to do. For example the Atenza comes in 3 different models eg GG, GH etc so rather than a stupid year limit and just making a blanket rule, if the ban applied to models eg GG then it would make a lot more sense. This isn't about people liking something or not or drawing a line in the sand, its about common sense.
smac,
Nov 21, 5:18pm
I don't buy into the 'they're all idiots' placard wavers.there's some very very smart cookies involved in the policy machine. However, government ofter government have shown that when good policy gets watered down through successive layers of bureaucracy, to the point where somebody will sign off on it (ie it won't lose any votes), shite comes out the other end.
The god-awful policies being put in now, were kicked off by the previous labour government, so they won't do any better at it either. Just the nature of the beast.still prefer it to North Korea.
smac,
Nov 21, 5:21pm
Note: some of the.idiosyncrasies.that- show up (ie identical cars, one OK one not) are actually the fault of the manufacturers. When they say they can not provide sufficientinformation to distinguish between models, the law makers are forced into drawing the line based on a date, rather than the spec of the car. They are their own worst enemy some time.and lets remember, their driver is sales, not an informed, safe buying public.
neo_psy,
Nov 21, 5:22pm
Well, there's your problem.
neville48,
Nov 21, 7:44pm
"Its sillyness like this that has me thinking to take a vote of NO confidence in the election". Voting only encourages them and makes them think we need them. If we all stop voting what will happen !
friendly_prawn,
Nov 21, 7:50pm
yep, dont matter which way you vote, they are all just as bad as each other. What this country needs is a common sense party.
rob_man,
Nov 21, 7:53pm
The problem is seldom the government of the day, it's the policy twonks and bureaucrats. They never go away no matter who is in power. You're talking about people who have never had a proper job or been in a situation where the harder they work and the clearer they think, the more they earn. Basically they're parasites.
kazbanz,
Nov 22, 7:28am
Why would the NZ new sales companies for a milisecond want to supply information that supports used car sales!
japiwi.boys,
Nov 22, 7:46am
just going to be your own waste of vote, It comes down to the fact of who you DON'T want in government these days, Not a case of who you want in government, That is why you vote for the other guy isn't it! Because the other guy is worse, You vote for the one that is the lesser of the evils, As to ask everyone to vote for No Confidence, NOT Gonna Happen, Asking everyone to stop voting, NOT gonna Happen either, Just like if you ask everyone NOT to use Trademe because others charge less, People will always go to the one that offers the best returns. Policies about car legislations were all put into place many years ago by the goverment that no longer leads this country.Do you want them back to make more mess of it !
tigra,
Nov 22, 7:59am
Dont vote .its just encourages them!
smac,
Nov 22, 8:55am
Not just talking about used, new as well. Vehicles with different spec (and therefore different safety and efficiency ratings) are sold new in NZ under the same model code.
Forgeting the new/used thing for a sec, why SHOULDn't the manufacturers be required to supply accurate data about the vehicle, regardless of what market it's sold in!
kazbanz,
Nov 23, 11:37am
LMAO --you are kidding aincha! The NEW car industry is a driving force behind the law change. Incidently they DOsupply the information to their own franchise dealerships
smac,
Apr 1, 11:04pm
You've lost me.what's your actual issue/point! That rule changes are applied with a date boundary, rather than a specification boundary, yet you think it's funny that the manufacturers would need to provide specification information in order for that to happen.! Have I got that right!
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