Automatics are quite complicated. Most are very reliable so long as they are serviced properly, trouble is most Kiwis are slobs when it comes to servicing and don't service them at all.
An automatic transmission in some circumstances can be about as expensive as repairs get, its not hard to throw away several thousand dollars on a repair or replacement.
A manual transmission will cope better with neglect, is cheaper to repair and service and will generally make the car use less fuel as well.
thejazzpianoma,
Jan 5, 1:16am
The garage that did the servicing may still have records of whats been done. Depending on milage done since 2008, what was done prior to that and if you are prepared to pay for some "catch up" servicing this may not be too much of a problem.
phillip.weston,
Jan 5, 1:17am
Have you looked at the Honda Stream!
I saw the 307 you were looking at and seems OK but was presented really dirty in the photos. bonus that it's a 2004 facelift model. I think $8k is perhaps a bit too expensive for that one being a private sale.
madeley,
Jan 5, 1:20am
I did this aftn see the HOnda Stream and am wondering about that.Yes you have seen the right one, and they won't budge below $7800.It also has a dent and 1 fabric tear I have just found out about.
thejazzpianoma,
Jan 5, 1:20am
It would be good to know what engine this Peugeot has in it as well. It could well be due for a cambelt change which would need to be budgeted for.
thejazzpianoma,
Jan 5, 1:21am
There are usually plenty of 307's around, you could likely get a better one in the north island. Worth having a look.
phillip.weston,
Jan 5, 1:31am
there are 307s at dealers for not much more - you should remind him/her of that fact. If they wont budge, and it's untidy with dents and tears in the fabric then I would walk away.
If going for the stream make sure it's the 2.0L engine, they are chain driven and just as economical as the 1.7 which is belt driven and generally gutless. Avoid the 4WD models too.
wasser61,
Jan 5, 1:33am
My neighbours had a brand new 307 wagon, and that spent more time in the dealerships than on the road. Sorry but the auto is a dog. They make reasonable manual gearboxes, but below average automatics. We had a 307 wagon around Europe (Peugeot Eurolease) in 2005 and 2009 and in 2005 on the second to last day we had the car the doors wouldn't lock. It was a electrical problem. In all honesty avoid a Peugeot. As a Single mum you want reliability and something that will not cost an arm and two children to repair.
geedubu,
Jan 5, 3:43am
There are many useful comments in these "what is reliable/what isn't " threads, although some of the posters have predetermined views.But we should face facts: In reality the overwhelming majority of modern cars from major manufacturers are enitrely reliable, especially if compared with older vehicles.Normal and prudent servicing will keep them going for many miles.My favourite is the mad hostility towards the Toyota (Chevrolet) Cavalier.This car is somewhat crude in engineering terms compared to its Japanese counterparts; but is held up as the example of a hand-grenade by the uninformed who live on google, but was for many years the top-selling car in the USA.Sure, it is not the most desirable car in the world, but take a break, it is not that bad. Nor are many others.Tribal passion for a brand is not a replacement for commonsense.The same, plus plenty, goes for the shallow scuffle between European & others.Buy what you like to drive, they won't fall to bits if you have half a brain.
tgray,
Jan 5, 4:26am
You haven't owned a cavalier have you! I have. More than one being a dealer, and they are the worst car ever made in my opinion, and that's coming from a Chevy fan. The 'predetermined views' as you put it, comes from years of experience dealing with cars, not through 'google searches'. The top selling car in in the USA in 1996 was the ford taurus. Another complete disaster, so that means nothing. You talk of 'modern cars' being 'entirely reliable'. I don't consider 16 year old cars as modern.
ashwattau,
Jan 5, 5:22am
Nah the whole first half of the post was about modern cars in general (such as the peugeot 307). He forgot to add a paragraph indent in the middle.
magicmat,
Jan 5, 5:49am
OMFG. what a monstrosity (I had to google it to see what they look like). I think I would prefer unreliable, old and stolen as features in my next car just so long as it didnt look anything at all like that!
wasser61,
Jan 5, 6:21am
Firstly when you look at the figures the 307 comes way down the list at number 89 of the hundred most reliable cars. Secondly in this country if you own a European car then you have to pay the privilege. I know that for a fact. Thirdly as for servicing properly go and find out the cost, even you local back yard mechanic will not be as cheap as a local Japanese or Australian car. And lastly I own a Euro box, Love it it pieces, but at the end of the year when it its out of warranty, I will sell, I just can't be bothered with the hassle of problems and having to pay 2 children and the cat to get it repaired. Also as it gets older it starts to cost most just to run and that's a fact
phillip.weston,
Jan 5, 7:05am
The Peugeot 307 was introduced 11 years ago, and was initially based on a chassis/platform 10 years older so I would hardly call the 307 modern either. The 307 is at the perfect era/age of things going wrong and not yet fixed. May be a different story for 08-09-10 model Peugeots though.
wasser61,
Jan 5, 7:25am
The 08 - 09 - 10 and 11 models have very little changes and in August of this year when we go back to Europe, I am getting a 3008. I want to try something different, as the 2009 307 drove just like the 2005 307 and that was exceptionally average. It was nice to have the auto light, wipers, cruise control, speed limiter and the airplane tables in the back of the front seat for the kids in the back, but once out of warranty, I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.
And just for information, I don't own a Peugeot, nor a Volkswagen.
audionerd,
Jan 5, 7:44am
I had a leased 308 XSP Turbo petrol 1.6 that spent more time being serviced than driven.Head replaced at 42,000km, engine replaced at around 54,000km, and same fault returned several thousand km later. Peugeot's service is absolutely dog tucker - they won't do any work under warranty until they have clearance from Peugeot Malaysia (from what I'm told).
geedubu,
Jan 5, 7:45am
Well I have as a matter of fact, bought one "new" and kept it for a few months when they were being sold for about 50% off new price when I lived in Tokyo in the late 1990's, you could see yards full of them unsold beside the railway between Narita and the city, the Toyota dealers hated them.It was a pretty ordinary car to say the least but not the worst car ever built.Same thing happened to the rhd Cadillac of that era, I used to get at least a phone call a week trying to sell me one of those turkeys as expats were targetted.I didn't fall for that one but the Cavalier didn't crap out in the few months I owned it and I got my money back when I sold it.
geedubu,
Jan 5, 7:56am
And if you think that's the worst car ever built you have never owned a 1929 Erskine with broken rings and a diff packed hopefully with a mixture of grease, used engine oil and sawdust!
wasser61,
Jan 5, 8:00am
But when it gets that old it becomes a love affair.
geedubu,
Jan 5, 8:10am
Not when you are 15 years old it doesn't!
wasser61,
Jan 5, 8:12am
Yes but if you still had it now.
geedubu,
Jan 5, 8:22am
I suspect I am in the wrong thread, I pretty well like every car I have ever owned and I think anything without a crank handle is modern.
geedubu,
Jan 5, 8:38am
Honestly speaking, no, 1930 or earlier is better for Austin 7's.Later ones don't have the same cachet.There was an Essex Speedabout boat-tail on here a few days ago that was a real honey though.If you like old cars there are some real good deals that come up every few months if you are prepared to wait.I watch them all but don't buy due to the full garage and empty wallet syndrome.I think there is an early 30's Morris Minor around at the moment that would be a more interesting buy than a 36 Austin 7, at the right price.
geedubu,
Jan 5, 8:44am
Not that this helps someone looking for a 2003 plus Peugeot.
wasser61,
Jan 5, 8:52am
Okay I will keep a look out, I just want something from20's - 30's. Just to add to the collection
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