How can driving slower use more petrol! I drive to timaru from Oamaru at 90k and it cost me $10 less that if I stick to the speed limit.
pollymay,
Apr 6, 8:48pm
I have one issue with "pro training", like any education system you get absolute retards assigned and the genuine ones get pissed off at the low pay/stupid structure/incorrect teaching schedule or whatever and leave.
HP limitations don't work all that great either cause one of our most common cars is the falcon and commie and they are family cars anyway. You can be sure some cop will pull up a kid sent to the store in the V6 commie and "enforce the law" to teach them the dangers of driving something that dangerous to get milk. Even some runabout V6 toyotas can be 300hp now, yet the ones that constantly crash and hurt people are retards in 1600Vtecs and 1300 starlets with locked diffs.
pollymay,
Apr 6, 8:49pm
Constantly feathering the throttle cause they stop for pebbles and drive like F wits. It's annoying and distracting cause you dunno what they are going to do next so you land up looking at them rather than around for other hazards.
richardmayes,
Apr 6, 8:54pm
I think more emphasis on the privilege of using the roads, and less on the right to use the roads, is something that needs to be spread around more than just learner drivers.
chargerchick,
Apr 6, 9:06pm
Its all very well to have professional and/or defensive driving tuition but those that will be loose behind the wheel willjust play by the rules till they get their leicenceand then go hard when they are alone hoon'n wif da boys, seen it time and time again. Just because you look the part on the coarse/test doesn't mean your always going to be !
pollymay,
Apr 6, 9:25pm
At least with some training they know what to do when hoofing it. Currently it is "look how mad tyte I can drift by standin on the brakes round da corners" then they hit a tree or something.
I drive like a bat outta hell on backroads in my sportscar but I can drive pretty well so it's no big deal if it gets a little taily on corner exit, some people have no idea what they are doing
chargerchick,
Apr 6, 9:54pm
PMSL.they stop for pebbles and drive like F wits
pollymay,
Apr 7, 8:13am
My mr2 drifts about as well as it takes down large trees.
kazbanz,
Jul 19, 4:10pm
Just pondering if learner licences in New Zealand should be scrapped. The replacement would be a learners permit. Printed the same way as a licence but clearly showing that it is not a licence to drive,it is a permit to learn to drive under strict conditions. It would seem to be playing with words perhaps. The effect would be to make it clear to new drivers and riders exactly what they have really earned by sitting the simple scratchy test.
ejclark,
Jul 19, 4:54pm
a learner lisence is a lisence to learn to drive. a learner permit is a permit to learn to drive.
sounds the same to me.
franc123,
Jul 19, 4:57pm
It wouldn't make any difference, learners permit holders would still be losing them or having the time extended on them due to carrying passengers, driving outside of the permitted hours, or drunk driving, or all three.There are already "strict conditions" in place.
loose.unit8,
Jul 19, 4:57pm
Better moves.
1 - Compulsory, professional, practical driving training
2 - HP + car modification limitations, possibly age related but definitely license related
cowboy110,
Jul 19, 5:23pm
Definately in favour of professional and/or defensive driving tuition. Plus restricted HP/KW for learner or restricted licence holders but I'm surprised at how few learner licence holders we have in NZ.From my understanding those drivers should have an "L" plate displayed.Don't see that many around. Just got back from Aussie and they are obviously a lot stricter about displaying "P" plates.
matthew111,
Jul 19, 6:59pm
no retain status quo.
t0ddles,
Jul 19, 8:00pm
You got that bit a little confused, this from wiki will explain.
Learner Driver Licence
The minimum age for a Learner Driver Licence is 15 years and 9 months. An applicant must complete the Road Ready course (road safety program, run in many secondary schools, or at a Road Ready Centre), and pass a computerised road rules test. A learner licence is valid for two years. Learner drivers must display black on yellow 'L Plates' and drive under the supervision of a full Australian licence holder. Provisional Licence
An applicant for a provisional licence must be at least 17 years, held a learner licence for 6 months, and either completed a logbook with an accredited driving instructor, or passed a practical driving test. A provisional licence is valid for 3 years. Provisional drivers must display red on white 'P Plates' for three years, unless they take the Road Ready Plus course after six months, or are over 26 years and have held the licence for 6 months. Provisional holders who have taken the RRP course or are over 26 also get an additional 4 demerit point allowance. A provisional licence carrier has a 0.02 blood-alcohol limit.[1]
t0ddles,
Jul 19, 8:02pm
And i really think we should adopt that^^
kazbanz,
Jul 20, 8:10am
Sorry my point was that as long as there is a mindset that that little blue piece of plastic is an actual licence then people will continue to drive using it. By mindset I do mean as high as the law makers and law enforcement organisations. It isn't simply a name change I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting the name change as the first step towards a mindset change. If those in power genuinenly want to reduce the road toll then surely the first place to start is by increasing the base level of driver competancy.By making it clear that a L "licence" is a permit to learn to drive then its one step in the correct direction.
helpless,
Jul 20, 8:17am
I love the L sign.makes me so much more considerate around them,,as does the "Baby on Board" sign
elvis58,
Jul 20, 11:12am
The whole thing needs a overhaul.Best place to start would be seperating the police and traffic units again as neither have any respect from those they deal with on a regular basis.Raising the age isn't needed as its been 15 for many decades yet this problem has come about in the last 2 or so. The problem is most deffinately down to the choice of vehicles along with the volume of them on the road, we need a power to weighr restriction tagged to licence restricting the holder to a specific output only. Kids cant buy shotguns straight up, nor 1000cc motorbikes, yet if they have rich parents and can obtain credit, any vehicle is there for the taking.The wasteful and pointless tv advertising and media hype would have me believe they have the financial resourses to pay the extra wages!
neell,
Jul 20, 11:19am
Come on guys, the answer is so simple! We here all the time about learner licence holders having so many accidents and being bad drivers. Why not give them full licences from the begining that way they are not learners anymore and will be good drivers. Also I intend to run for parliment next election and with ideas like that I'll end up the bring the Prime Minister.
kazbanz,
Jul 20, 11:44am
What scares me is that you are probably right
hollyshaw,
Jul 20, 8:31pm
. and if you do seem L Plates on cars - its usually the parents driving around with them on!
socram,
Jul 21, 11:19am
Can't see the L plates at night anyway.Dipped beam, L plate inside a high tinted window.
UK certainly enforced L plates for learners only. Hefty fine if caught.
L Plate = learner.No problem.
P Plate = passed test and new or nervous.(Could apply to really old pensioners.)
Do not agree at all with some of the restrictions after having passed the test.
Happy for the car driving age to be raised and as stated on here a million times before, judgement only comes with age, but car control and skill can come when very young.
The test should be about competence and undertstanding the road rules, regardless of who taught them and how many hours they had done.By the time I passed my test, I had had a total of 11 hours behind the wheel, but after hour two hours, it was nothing but practice - much of it in heavy city traffic in a dual control car.
Some learn quickly, some never learn.Some havean aptitude for driving, some do not.Some are rule/law breakers by nature - not just on the road.
So it comes down to a tougher test regime, never a multiple choice questionnaire.
chippy_45,
Jul 21, 12:08pm
I have been driving since i was 13, i have never had anything more than a learners license but i have a few thousand hours of driving experience behind me. raising the age isnt going to make better drivers out of people only experience will do that!. you can not judge somebodys driving experience by the type of license that they hold.
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