Run a two stroke backwards?

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40wav, Feb 18, 7:25pm
I know there were certain chainsaws that this could be done on, but would it be possible on any basic two stroke! I think in theory it should unless the internals are shaped to direct fuel to the right places. This is a basic weedeater motor I'm talking about here. It's no longer a weedeater and the application I have for it would be very good if it ran opposite to what it does by design. Would doing this to test possibly cause damage! Your thoughts and discussion would be great, Thanks.

rob_man, Feb 18, 7:31pm
The old Gnat three wheelers used to do that for reverse gear, you'd stop the motor and start it in the other direction.

valiantpaul, Feb 18, 7:37pm
just change the ignition timing so it's a few degrees after tdc (when running the original way) then it should run the opposite way

pno5, Feb 18, 7:40pm
umm...

40wav, Feb 18, 7:41pm
Wont the timing be 'fixed' by being on the fly wheel with a key! How would I adjust that! Should I be able to move the coil a little bit! Cheers.

valiantpaul, Feb 18, 7:43pm
yeah is probably will be fixed, but there's a way around everything if you want to do it badly enough! Maybe get another keyway machined into the crank!

40wav, Feb 18, 7:45pm
Probably easier to slot the bolt holes in the coil. I think I'll just give it a go as-is and see what happens, then worry about tuning later. Cheers for the comments.

gammelvind, Feb 18, 7:52pm
Had an old go kart as a kid, there was an old lawn mower engine on it, if it stalled going up a hill could make for an exciting trip down when it started backwards while rolling.

jsbike, Feb 18, 7:54pm
had an old bike dirtbike, tried getting up a hill and ALMOST stalled it just before the top, so reved its nuts off and dropped the clutch, everything was a blur of ground and sky after that. it turned out when it almost stalled, that it had started going backwards! fun fun!

wheels36, Feb 18, 8:00pm
file the crank keyto adjust the timing

taipan4, Feb 18, 8:12pm
true but "gnats" ran a 4 stroke so spark timing must have been at or close to TDC

lookin4ord, Feb 18, 8:18pm
wont run well though as the port timing will be wrong

rob_man, Feb 18, 8:22pm
You jogged my memory, I had an old Jawa 125 do that to me once.

jsbike, Feb 18, 8:26pm
it will run but not as well. the bike that did it to me sounded a little different when it ran backwards. Also I ran a modle glow engine in reverse, it ran but was down on power.

Maybe take the barrel and head off and turn 180deg then bolt back down, then the crank will be turning the same way in relation to the barrel as it was to start with!

lookin4ord, Feb 18, 8:28pm
yes that will work rotating the barrell

jmma, Feb 18, 8:34pm
UUmm, coil usually bolts to barrel !

jsbike, Feb 18, 9:53pm
no, to the frame

jmma, Feb 19, 7:40am
OP talking about weedeater motor, they don't have a frame (o:

matarautrader, Feb 19, 7:41am
Had a TY250 Yamaha trials bike that did it regularly. Could be quite exciting ( and painful!)

intrade, Feb 19, 7:43am
the problem with running backwards is that bolts will come undone as they are designed to tighten when the engine runs normal, it can be done. I had a moped puch when i was young and needed a new crank the crank had the timing for the ignition on the flywheel and it was on the wrong spot so when you push started it it would run backwards just like normal , only found out it ran backwards when you try and take off and it moved backwards but only shortly as the resistence was enough to undo the clutch-nut and clutch fallen apart and that was it no drive .

intrade, Feb 19, 7:43am
the problem with running backwards is that bolts will come undone as they are designed to tighten when the engine runs normal, it can be done. I had a moped puch when i was young and needed a new crank the crank had the timing for the ignition on the flywheel and it was on the wrong spot so when you push started it it would run backwards just like normal , only found out it ran backwards when you try and take off and it moved backwards but only shortly as the resistence was enough to undo the clutch-nut and clutch fallen apart and that was it no drive . dont know if it had enough power sounded ok and had the power to undo it self only thing was the flawheel was on the wrong spot that generates the spark lifts the contact and produces the power for ignition.

poppajn, Feb 19, 7:50am
Bit big for a weedeater, but GM Diesil,s were bad for it too. blow the oil out of the aircleaner, etc.

skin1235, Feb 19, 7:55am
there is no need to change the barrel etc, the ports are in exactly the right place already, the ignition will need retiming

these chinese chainsaws selling on here do it quite regularly, their timing is very close to tdc and a slow pull on the cord will get them fired in reverse, they are then running a little retarded so don't have the same power, and due to the retard they do sound different
yes I'd imagine clutches etc would need lock tabs or staking to keep them tight

electro2000, Feb 19, 8:25am
The pistongoes up and down the same way uncovering the ports regardless of the way the crank is running-its just an ignition timing thing

rlr29, Feb 19, 1:58pm
Can you just Literally, turn the engine so it faces the other way!