I was just speaking to a guy who was working in a yard driving an old truck that never went on road. No reg, no cof, no hubometer, no ruc's paid up etc. This particular day he needed to get on to the next property. He just drove out thedrive and did a u turn in to the next drive. Got spotted by a cop and pulled up. The let him off some of the fines but result, over $17,000 in fines. He is now working them off doing P.D. Gee, i could understand if he was a rich guy but he's just your average joe struggling to make ends meet. Ok a big wake up for the guy, but thats one hell of a wake up call.
motorboy2011,
Apr 27, 8:20am
I'd be arguing that, it was never used on the road so therefore did not need to pay ruc fees. all he should have been done for was no reg and wof
curlcrown,
Apr 27, 8:26am
He doesn't have to pay RUC. And why would it make any difference if he was rich!
scoobeey,
Apr 27, 8:29am
he was on a public road cause he has to pay rucs
curlcrown,
Apr 27, 8:30am
but not for all the km he covered off the road.
curlcrown,
Apr 27, 8:31am
it sounds like a tall story anyway.
doomy999,
Apr 27, 8:39am
Sorry but your comment is just dumb. I was just passing over facts as I know them. I know the guy is now doing p.d and dont have any cause to suspect him of lying. Why would he want to make a story like that up, what would be the point.
Im not sure what relevance ruc has, what I was simply trying to point out the truck had nothing legal to be on the road.
One wouldnt imagine it to be such a big deal to simply drive out on to the road to get to the next drive way. One would think the cops would use common sense in such cases. The goverment needs a common sense department to look as such cases. How the hell do they work out 17k in fines for such a simple mistake. Its absolute madness. .
curlcrown,
Apr 27, 8:46am
Don't you find it hard to belive there would be a $17000 fine for one inciden!There would be more to the story, and you are already telling the story second hand.
doomy999,
Apr 27, 8:53am
Ok, a valid point, 17k does seem absolutely over the top. Fair enough. But I actually believe the guy. Some people are born liars some people are straight shooters. It usually doesnt take too long to work out the idiots. I have known him for a while and I actually believe what he says. I also do know there are some pretty intense fines for truck drivers. I was talking to some one a while back who said he had a 2k fine for driving over a bridge over weight.That to me sounds like b.s But I had no reason to doubt him.
Maybe some one who drives trucks can clarify. Are these crazy fines for truck drivers in the realms of reality!
saxman99,
Apr 27, 8:55am
They used to.Not any more.
doomy999,
Apr 27, 9:04am
I suppose to be fair to them, they have a quota to fill. Forced to give out fines whether they like it or not. Should we be blaming the cops or some one further up the chain. Imagine being a cop and having to fill your quota. An unenviable situation to be in I guess.
berg,
Apr 27, 9:57am
$17 grand is not such a big fine when it comes to CVIU. I would have to speculate without any facts so I won't comment other than saying the cop in question did his job and put this fella in front of the court. That's pretty much the end of the police's interest and involvement in these cases. What judges or JPs do from that point onwards is out of the polices hands. The fines are court imposed and maximums are set by government legislation. Nothing to do with the police and funny enough, the police do not see any of the fines money. As for police quotas, everybody in every job has performance targets that must be met. I have yet to meet a policeman or policewoman who has a financial based performance target when dealing with day to day policing.
berg,
Apr 27, 9:59am
And.to add to the interest factor in this case, the OP said the truck was always driven in a yard. Define "road" in legislation
doomy999,
Apr 27, 10:00am
whats cviu!
doomy999,
Apr 27, 10:01am
obviously yard would be private land. Not a public road. when the law is talking roads, obviously its public roads not private. His screw up was to drive a few lousy meters on a public road.
17k in fines not much for a trucky! You gotta be kidding. Thats gotta be up there even for truckies.
berg,
Apr 27, 10:08am
No 17k is quite normal. Best I've seen is $19k court imposed plus $12k issued on the night plus recovery of $70k of unpaid RUC. As for a road as defined by law, any place where the public has access as of by right or not, so private yards unless gated off are still legally considered roads. CVIU = Commercial Vehicle Investigation Unit
bitsy_boffin,
Apr 27, 10:12am
I am afraid you are incorrect on this matter, the definition of road is very broad and indeed covers far more than just what we think of as a road, and may well include this "yard", if the public on occasion enter into this yard - by right or not.
I know that my brother got done for being overweight with his truck,that was only $2,500 and the rest of the truck was up to the mark.
Same day he was stoped after putting the truck in the yard & was done for drunk driver (due the fine earier)he showed the cops & they let him off,the wife to pick him up.That was going to be another $2,500.
Some cops are good & I think that 17k is way too high,unless he has been seen doing it before,or had been stoped before.
doomy999,
Apr 27, 10:18am
Im not really sure what point your trying to make. Just because its not financial based, or just because you dont have knowledge of how the police handle their incentives doesnt mean there isnt one. Having a quota would be pointless if there was nothing to make them meet those quotas. There would have to be something in place. Otherwise they arent really quota's are they.
doomy999,
Apr 27, 10:20am
Ouch so he may have been breaking the law just by driving on private roads. That too seems utterly rediculous. Gee, glad Im not a trucky. .
doomy999,
Apr 27, 10:23am
And he said even at 17k they had let him off some of the stuff they could have charged him for. crazy eh!
elect70,
Apr 27, 10:25am
Soundsfar fetched , couldnt imagine cop being that much of a prick & in court he could have argued the fact it was just being transferred from 1drive to another .,I knew of car restorer who had his paint shopover the roadfrommain workshop & cars without anyreg etcregularytaken accross the roadformany years withoutproblem . Im sure there is an exemption for such circumstances .
berg,
Apr 27, 10:28am
Yep, they could have had a time licence on it rather than km RUC but even that gets changed with the new legislation in Aug. Maybe the car restorer has yet to be caught or those who have felt with him have been very lienient
attitudedesignz,
Apr 27, 10:54am
These are the bits of statement that stand out for me.
NEVER on road but then was caught ON road.
mopsy3,
Apr 27, 11:17am
and some just miss out the really important details so are neither a born liar or a straight shooter.
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