Car has been serviced well (fleet car) but with 325km on the clock, surely that does mean something!
I'm so over looking for a car, might go question the posters over in pets about horses instead ;)
jezz43,
Jul 4, 7:07am
Kms on a vehicle doesnt matter sometimes. depends on the vehicle in question tho. what is it!
xacoon,
Jul 4, 7:08am
kms generally arent that important IF well and regularly serviced, all depends on vehicle to vehicle basis too though, what is the vehicle in question! P&A are nuts, some angry nasty people in there.
pettal,
Jul 4, 7:10am
Those sort of Ks= things are nearing or have reached their useful life .
grangies,
Jul 4, 7:11am
325,000km on something like a Daewoo Lanos, or Mitsi Lancer would matter.
LOL.
msigg,
Jul 4, 8:20am
yes Km do matter to an extent, but when price taken into account then that counter acts, the vehicle your looking at seems good on the surface, if your buying that cheap and you get a couple of years motoring then that is a good buy. if it shits itself then just dump it for parts. the normal cost of motoring with depreciation is a couple of thousand dollars for most car owners anyway, but some can afford more than others, thats life. so you will be beating that.
gemini_gurl,
Jul 4, 8:33am
Thanks, but I want something that accomodates 3 carseats (and now my oldest is in a booster its a pita getting the belt done up when they're 3 across) and I really don't want any kids in the front for now - or another 5ish years.
Otherwise, that cars so ugly it's almost cool! ;)
thejazzpianoma,
Jul 4, 8:38am
3 in car seats in the back is easy in the Multipla. The three seats are individual and the car is short but very wide.
Because the seats are individually adjustable with a massive amount of travel foward and back you can stagger them diagonally or just put them all right back, this makes loading 3 kids in a row in seats really easy because you have so much room to move in front of them.
The other trick if you prefer is to just remove the centre front seat and you can spin around and do up the centre child from the front. Personally I don't prefer that method but some do.
Overall, you will find the Multipla heaps more convieniant to use than the Estima, especially when it comes to parking etc.
johnf_456,
Jul 4, 8:42am
That is just bedded in, what sort of car!
thejazzpianoma,
Jul 4, 8:44am
Incidentally, you mentioned not wanting kids in the front row. The other thing with the Multipla is you can turn off the passenger airbag and the way the seats/controls are laid out children can't interfere with anything and there is a big space between you and them so they can't distract/reach you. So its perfectly safe and fine to put children in the front if you want/need. (in appropriate restraints of course)
The Multipla is designed to have children up front and overall is going to be MUCH safer than the Estima you are looking at.
thejazzpianoma,
Jul 4, 8:57am
Here are a couple of links from parents talking about car seats and Multipla's, it should give you an idea of how they are finding things and what can be done.
With the first link you can avoid reading through it all by just using the ctrl + f and searching "multipla".
Good luck.
johnf_456,
Jul 4, 8:59am
How much commission do you get thejazzpianoma!
40wav,
Jul 4, 10:37am
Wow! Constantly empties your wallet, then chops your head off! Possibly one to avoid.
wellyguynz,
Jul 4, 12:02pm
The problems with rentals is that the drivers dont give a crap about thecar ie dont care if they thrash it when its cold or revving the guts out of it
neo_psy,
Jul 4, 12:50pm
I thought that too "unmolested" for a 17 year old, imported ex taxi, didn't seem likely to me.
thejazzpianoma,
Jul 4, 3:01pm
LOL, you put it so much better than me. Sounds like some kind of B grade movie about a Black Widow.
frytime,
Jul 4, 3:27pm
don't these estma thing have issue's with the cooloing system if not looked after!
clark20,
Jul 4, 5:13pm
Jazz, I suggest you don't go around scare mongering to push your Fiats with "cutting your head off" suggestions. I have never heard of thisand they are a lot safer than Vans of their vintage.
johnf_456,
Jul 4, 6:13pm
Haha
Haha
thejazzpianoma,
Jul 4, 7:37pm
LMAO, so they are safer than what must be about the most unsafe vehicles on the road ever, great advertisement for safety!
Even better. because you have not heard of it, it can't be true.
Cheers I needed a good laugh before bed.
On a serious note though, safety is not a joke, you have to remember that some people do take advice from here very seriously. Down playing dangerous vehicles is irresponsible at best. How would you feel if the poster went and bought one because you said safety was fine and then was needlessly killed leaving her children motherless.
More people read these threads than you think. Be responsible.
Incidentally, when these were tested one of the guys involved in the testing had a new one, which he went out and sold because he was so horrified with what happened in the test.
mugenb20b,
Jul 4, 7:47pm
I had one of these Estimas, very reliable and versatile vehicles, but you're quite right Jazz. They are not a safe vehicle at all, I saw a crash test on you tube. The steering column gets pushed into the driver crushing the chest and chin and snapping the neck. There was even a crash in Auckland several years ago, where the driver hit the back of a truck on the motorway at 60km/h. The driver died because the steering wheel pinned (crushed) his chest. I sold mine early this year.
mugenb20b,
Jul 4, 7:47pm
Oops, too late.
thejazzpianoma,
Jul 4, 7:56pm
Not at all, glad to have your agreement on this. Its just a shame so many Mum's drive around in these thinking they are safe because they have a "bonnet" out in front of them. Parents like that rely on forum's like this for information, and when it comes to safety and precious lives its important information like this is shared.
While there are better cars safety wise nowadays the Multipla was very good for this type of vehicle at that time. Its still very good for that price point and type of vehicle secondhand in NZ, although if safety was your number one priority there are one or two possibilities in the segment which might be even better safety wise.
Just be aware that there were a couple of issues picked up when they were first crash tested (nothing like snapping necks though) and these were addressed pretty quickly. There are some pre-revision cars in NZ, if you want to tell the difference look at the steering wheel. The safety revised cars have a bigger more angular airbag cover.
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