How do people go about doing this in terms of drilling! Mill and some sort of funky set-up to hold the axle off the edge of the table! Mill with the quill running parallel to the bed and the axle clamped to the bed! Hand held power drill in conjunction with a jig and a vice or something! I was thinking of changing a drill press around to allow an axle to be mounted close to in line with the quill. Am I deep thinking this too much! How??
trader_84,
Oct 30, 6:24am
Earth to Mrfixit . what do you have to say on this matter!
bill-robinson,
Oct 30, 6:37am
if it was me, I would buy a set of wheels that fitted
mrfxit,
Oct 30, 6:56am
*exits door of the Tardis to see what all the noise is"
YOU sir,. I HATE you . AND your new toy . ;-)
Dang it ! ********* Anyways, umm presuming you want to change the HUB stud pattern. Either way, unless you have been doing a few & know the precise setup, it won't be easy to get it aligned properly if you rush it or try to cheat. Set up correctly, it's easy Not set up correctly & you WILL have vibration problems. Precision alignment for the new holes is the key.
Personally. .I would be using that lathe & . Mount the hub & a spare stub pin in a std chuck to centralize the hub & when done there, scribe a center line on the face plate at the center of the new holes. Remove the hub & mark your true stud centers (4/5/6 studs whatever) & remount the hub in the lathe with a variable center chuck (forgot it's name & center EACH stud hole ready for drilling from the tool mount.
OR Get a shop to do it, that does this for a living (but hey. thats the easy way out.
Hand drilling stud holes only really works for wheel barrows & farm implements
mrfxit,
Oct 30, 6:56am
*exits door of the Tardis to see what all the noise is"
YOU sir,. I HATE you . AND your new toy . ;-)
Dang it ! ********* Anyways, umm presuming you want to change the HUB stud pattern. Either way, unless you have been doing a few & know the precise setup, it won't be easy to get it aligned properly if you rush it or try to cheat. Set up correctly, it's easy Not set up correctly & you WILL have vibration problems. Precision alignment for the new holes is the key.
Personally. .I would be using that lathe & . Mount the hub & a spare stub pin in a std chuck to centralize the hub & when done there, scribe a center line on the face plate at the center of the new holes. Remove the hub & mark your true stud centers (4/5/6 studs whatever) & remount the hub in the lathe with a variable center chuck (forgot it's name & center EACH stud hole (in turn) ready for drilling from the tool mount.
That hub (or rim) MUST spin true from the bearing center
OR Get a shop to do it, that does this for a living (but hey. thats the easy way out.
Hand drilling stud holes only really works for wheel barrows & farm implements
saki,
Oct 31, 3:22pm
If I was doing it I would spin up a drilling jig in the lathe with a nice thick drilling guide easy to get it all square for drilling.
trader_84,
Oct 31, 4:03pm
Thanks mrfixit . your insight is always appreciated in these matters (even if I don't say it!) Chur.
trader_84,
Oct 31, 4:08pm
Yeah . I am thinking along these lines but how would you drill it though! I was thinking for the guides . to make them thick and harden them. Also . have several of them in incrementing size even . pilot hole first sorta thing. But how would you drill it! You need an sh1t load of space under a drill press and I guess there would be an issue in securing the axle for drilling! Or are you talking about doing it by hand!
hyphen,
Oct 31, 4:13pm
I do it on the mill, clock up the centre of the hub, then press PCD mode on the digi and add Dia & No of holes. Oh, it helps if the hubs are off the axle and T-clamped through the centre hole.
trader_84,
Oct 31, 4:30pm
Yep, there is a mill in the shed with a DRO and I'd planned on using it to do the jig. I've CAD'd up a couple of ideas and reckon I could get around 3 different PCD's on a single jig. I'm after a solution that will enable me to change PCD's in a repeatable (and simple) manner that does not require tying up the mill . and incorporate a funky axle securing setup. Are you talking about swinging the head outside the confines of the bed, or how!
saki,
Oct 31, 4:31pm
I was thinking of a jig similar to a over the hub face brake disc for a rough idea, or along those designs with plate thick enough to be a good drill guide. with the jig marked out accuratly it can be set up level and flat in drill press and drilled, fit over axle onto the axle guide drill with hand drill and accuratly sharpened drill, fit appropriate sized bolt and nut in the hole to secure the jig to the axle redrill other holes, or take to an engineering shop and leave them with the worry of accurracy.
trader_84,
Oct 31, 4:35pm
I just re-read your post . you are talking about doing a rim aye! I'm talking axles here . munty hard arsed steel that just got harder to deal to due to the heat put into them by the MIG whilst filling up the previous holes.
mrfxit,
Oct 31, 8:08pm
LOL oh yea FINE & dandy when ya have a handy CNC mill thats suitable for mags.
bill-robinson,
Nov 1, 10:28am
Okay, as a set of wheels is not possible, Why do you want to change the stud pattern! Just interested that's all.
mrfxit,
Nov 1, 12:37pm
Nice ******
Still a *&*$% -- $@#$
chebry,
Nov 1, 12:42pm
With ya now you have proper tools when doing this previously marking ou is the key then use a real drill press and mount the axles to the bed clamped and swivel the bed for the pilot holes its easy bit this is on big gear not home handyman stuff
bill-robinson,
Nov 1, 1:06pm
Ah! now I understand. Thanks, keep up the good work.
trader_84,
Nov 1, 1:25pm
Ahhh . I never thought about that way . hmmmm there is food for thought! Yep yep cheers.
marte,
Nov 1, 1:27pm
I use a rotary table on a milling machine.
lordv81,
Nov 1, 4:43pm
Hey Trader,whats it cost to get an axle resplinned after its been cut down etc!just something like a borg warner 28 spline axle.
trader_84,
Nov 1, 5:26pm
I've never paid less than $100 an axle or more than $120 plus GST for a re spline. It don't really matter if its a BW or a 35 Spline Strange you are wanting . you are paying for the setup time. They are done with a single point fly cutter - cold. I've seen them done and know (in broad terms cause I am not a machinist) the set up. The splines are divided using an index head and the axle runs parallel to the bed. If you are getting more than one axle done then the ones after the first one are cheaper. The thing is . alot of times you can get away with doing one axle only. Especially if the car is street bound.
trader_84,
Nov 1, 5:31pm
Yeah! How are you holding your axle! And what inclination is your axle - parallel with terra firma or straight up and down! Tell .
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