pushing their barrow for in service emissions testing. Like their WOF stand it is nothing more than an attempt to change legislation to line their members pockets.
kazbanz,
Nov 24, 7:33am
I don't get why its the MTA pushing this barrow not the gubbiment or the AA etc. It was the COMMON SENSEalternative to the emission code laws introduced at the beginning of this year. maybee Im just stupid but to me if you actually want to reduce vehicle emissions then you need to measure VEHICLE EMISSIONS. The arguement that its not a safety issue needs to be taken up with Gubbiment -they decided tht in fact it is
llortmt,
Nov 24, 7:34am
As I said at the start of this 'licensing review' the MTA only care about the profits of VTNZ NOT their members.
bellky,
Nov 24, 7:44am
Yep and using Murph to do it too.
franc123,
Nov 24, 7:53am
One thing that doesn't seem to be considered here is the cost to their members of implementing the legislation they (and only them) are pushing for, its just as likely to finish many of them off instead of lining their pockets if a substantial outlay for expensive gas analysers and brake rollers is needed. Many will no doubt pull the pin on issuing WOF's if they continue to operate at all. The reality is that in years to come they won't have the technology to fix your car anyway, only franchise dealers and the bigger auto electrical outfits will. Think about what has already happened to all those rural service stations over the last 25 years that offered auto services, they're all gone now due to the storage tank issues and various other economic factors. Its little wonder that MTA had to let a whole heap of used car sharks into their organisation to boost membership numbers.
kazbanz,
Nov 24, 8:21am
Hey franc I think you've forgotten that the AA a couple of years ago were REALLY pushing that barrow. On a side note--forgive me if I missed something but is a gas analisis machine part of the diagnosic tools in a service centre
unbeatabull,
Nov 24, 8:32am
We do have one. Last time I used it was 2 years ago to tune the carb on an '88 Familia/Laser.
franc123,
Nov 24, 9:02am
Haha, NO. I'd wager that 30% if you were lucky would have a gas analyser at all, and of those probably 10 would have the staff who know how to use them on a regular basis.
llortmt,
Nov 24, 9:32am
Lol I doubt that was the 4-gas (or more) analyser that will be required!
xpfairmont,
Nov 24, 9:43am
I wish they would bring back 0800 smoky, so you could report a smoky car
ladatrouble,
Nov 24, 9:56am
Other countries that don't have a safety test (eg USA and Canada) do have an annual emission test.Personally I'd rather have a very basic '70's style WoF test, say just lights and tyres, and an emission test. A driver will fix safety items like tyres brakes and wheel bearings, but so long as the engine runs they don't care. Anyone who has used a 4 or 5 gas knows few cars on our roads will pass.
kazbanz,
Nov 24, 12:02pm
Franc--Im sorry mon we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one matee. I guess because we are seeing the issue from two totally different prospectives. You are seeing the cost to you to impliment this. Im seeing what it has cost me for them NOT to have simply applied this first at vehicle entry into NZ then trickling down to ALLcars on our roads. Stephen bleeeping Joyce refused to listen to the common sense arguement that its rediculous dealing with THEORETICAL emissions from a car set up in perfect test conditions. The ONLY test of value is real world at compliance and for our existing fleet-- in service. Time to drive those smokey heaps off the road-or it makes a total farce of the gubbiments emmission laws. -off me soapbox now
flockton55,
Nov 24, 1:28pm
All that effort for perhaps 1% of the cars. Also smoky heaps are often owned by those that can't afford anything better, or struggling tradesmen. There's already provision for excessive smoke to be a grounds for WOF fail, emissions testing is just an expensive way of punishing those at the bottom.
elect70,
Nov 24, 1:35pm
Butcant expect old carbed cars tomeet current emissions so it would be anightmare for testers to co relateit toyear of first rego .
sandypheet,
Nov 24, 1:41pm
Agree with you here,it is farcical that vehicles are only tested once,second hand ones,at entry and are never again required to be tested to maintain compliance.I assume it is born out of political mateship to get the greens on side during the previous Labour govt reign.So my view is testing at wof time,as for the cost,well that is included in the cost of a test.Would also add that it should be for vehicles that came into service from whatever date it was introduced.
ladatrouble,
Nov 24, 2:41pm
Older vehicles would be grandfathered in, there is no way a carbed engine could pass a test. Just OBDII and EOBD.
chebry,
Nov 25, 11:01am
Leave old cars out of it they are very minor part of the fleet.
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