Nothing however stopping you from converting a reflectorised plate into a black with aluminium lettering plate though.
bitsy_boffin,
Jan 2, 1:57am
I'm fairly sure that any modification to the number plate as issued is illegal.But I can't quote/find the legislation.
pebbles61,
Jan 2, 2:19am
Seen a few people make new black plates for their cars when one has gone missing etc during the resto/storage process.
I Don't blame 'em, they look the part and if they don't they'll get stuck with some crappy white plate.
franc123,
Jan 2, 2:23am
Thats because it doesn't exist. Read what the revised legislation in 2011 linked to above states, or rather doesn't state about plates and how they should appear and be displayed.Its even permissable to make your own plate from adhesive reflective sheeting and use that providing it meets the display criteria. Read it for yourself.
pebbles61,
Jan 2, 2:25am
Also I couldn't help but notice this:
"Despite subclause (5), an ordinary plate to be fixed to the front of a motor vehicle may be in the form of an adhesive label."
Which is funny as I recall the filth were having a go at E-type owners lately for having such stickers.I might get one now lol
bitsy_boffin,
Jan 2, 6:56am
Ok, having read the legislation and doing some further googling.
Googling around, a few people have asked Police and NZTA in the past and the response appears to be that their *opinion* is that modifying the plate makes it no longer the plate which was issued by the registrar and therefore an offence.
Now that's their opinion, *my* opinon from reading the legislation is that if you took your black on reflector plate and ground/painted it to be aluminium on black, then you would have a pretty decent chance of defending it in court as still being the issued plate, and still being compliant with the form of plates, you've just modified it and the law doesn't specifically say anything about that.
You can not however buy a plate from overseas, since that plate would clearly not be the plate issued to it by the registrar (the number is, sure, but not the plate).Equally you can not make your own plate from scratch, same reason.
supernova2,
Jan 2, 7:39am
If I'm reading those regs right there is no specification for the size or shape of the numbers/letters or the size or shape of the plate.Can I therefore make my plates with letters 3mm high!
Was reading somewhere the other day about a Mk2 Jag owner who wanted a square plate as that was what the boot lid was designed to fit and they had been told they couldn't do it.
Also looks like the old car lot can now have as many black plates as they want.
Question is however who can make them.Potentially you could now have a 100 plates with the same identifier and all sorts of different sizes and white/black and black/white and plaster your car with them if you wanted.What a joke.
And if you have your own made what happens if you deregister the vehicle as the plates wouldn't be gubberment property!
morrisjvan,
Jan 4, 8:37am
A had late model corvette was following me yesterday, and it didn't have a front plate at all that I could see ! dunno how you get away with that .
socram,
Jan 4, 8:56am
.which then contradicts the fact that it must be the plates issued by the authority! So, as I currently have an illegal, overseas manufactured perspex plate, (been on the car ten years) can I then attach an adhesive plate over it and make it legal!
bitsy_boffin,
Jan 4, 9:17am
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When the law change was made the VCC mentioned that you couldn't yet get adhesive "plates" as the manufacturing was still being setup.I suppose therefore that if you ask NZTA they can by now supply you with an adhesive plate.
"Adhesive labels A number plate to be fixed to the front of a motor vehicle may be in the form of an adhesive label. The adhesive label must be an official item supplied only by an appointed manufacturer. These adhesive labels may not be available to purchase until later this year when manufacturing processes are finalised and equipment become available."
Thats not what the regs say. They only say that the registrar can issue the unique identifier number but not necessarily the actual plate. I have a stick on plate and carry a copy of the 2011 act in the car with me
supernova2,
Jan 4, 10:18am
Didn't they change the font on the white/black plate about a year ago so that it was easier to read by the cameras!The new regs would appear to make an absolute joke of that logic.Yet another example of a university graduate employed by a govt agency who has about as much common sense as a road kill!Probably one of crusher collins' rellies!
trade4us2,
Jan 4, 8:58pm
Remember when we had plates with two letters and four numbers , so it was obvious by the position whether it was the letter O or the number 0.Then they decided to cross the zeroes. Now they don't seem to be issueing the letter O but are using Q.
And there's some old lady deciding whether the current three letters spell rude words forwards or backwards, but the have issued the GAY series to people who don't actually want them!
bitsy_boffin,
Jan 4, 10:59pm
"A person commits an offence if [.] does not have affixed to it and displayed in the manner prescribed by these regulations i)the registration plates issued for it; and"
I read this as you must use the plates issued for it [by the registrar] (adhesive plate is still a plate), the numbers on the plate are ancillary, it's the plates which are issued and which you must use.
Now, that said a number of people have successfully had the police waive fines for homemade/unauthorised adhesive plates, it may be that they (police) just can't be bothered with dealing in a slightly grey area when pressed.
supernova2,
Jan 5, 4:50am
I haven't read all thge regs but do they actually say that the plate will be issued by the registrar!If not then one can only assume that the "plates issued for it" means a plate which equals the identifier which was issued by the registrar.Then you have an adhesive lable in place of a plate so in reality its no longer a plate but the regs say it is a plate.Duh!What a complete shambles for something which is so simple and could have been expressed in about 50 words rather than pages of regulatiosn.
franc123,
Jan 5, 4:57am
Dead right, it does not state anywhere in the legislation that an adhesive label thats being used as a substitute for a plate HAS to be made by anyone.
franc123,
Jan 5, 4:57am
Dead right, it does not state anywhere in the legislation that an adhesive label thats being used as a substitute for a plate HAS to be made by anyone in particular. Sounds like the VCC pretending they are some sort of authority just like the MTA do lol.If anyone can point this clause out in the legislation i'm happy to stand corrected.
thejazzpianoma,
Jan 5, 5:16am
Has anyone spotted anything regarding the size of the plate! From what I can see the plate could be any size. even microscopic. Surely I am missing something!
socram,
Jan 5, 8:07am
I have in my possession a warning letter from the police for a $500 fine, as I am using overseas manufactured reflective perspex plates, to a Euro standard.
I wrote to the then MoT who passed it on to one of his minions, who basically said they were looking into the use of other plates, but in the meantime, I had to use the ones issued by the authority.
I look forward to going to court if and when I am issued with a ticket, my defence being that they are the correct size, a common easy read typeface and are reflective and legal in other parts of the world where they also have speed cameras.
I also used a UK reflective adhesive plate on my E type like Brit GT without problems for several years.Quite why they don't just purchase the adhesive reflective stuff from overseas I don't know, if they are indeed now legal.
mrfxit,
Jan 5, 7:37pm
1 of the issues with stickonnumber plates is the easy ability of crooks to make their own for whatever job they need a new number for. This will be slightly offset by by the police's number plate recognition system, but won't be of any help to any police or members of the public in knowing if a stickon plate is valid or not.
The current plate system is traceable because ONLY the govt is allowed to manufacture & issue them AND that they are a specific stamped design in METAL.
Can't use a good quality printer to make the current plates
mrfxit,
Jan 5, 7:42pm
Number plates are in fact a govt document & altering 1 is considered as fraudulent Discretion is allowed for fitment problems to specific vehicles By being made of metal, makes it harder to fake 1
socram,
Jan 5, 8:36pm
Near neighbour (policeman) asked where I got mine made as they were told that as you correctly point out, it can be a pointer to a stolen car and they were told to crack down on them.(It wasn't him who sent the warniing letter.) Just being a pointer isn't really enough, as any check would show that I am the legal owner of the original plates anyway and they belong on that car. I think the law was written to stop people writing plates on scraps of cardboard or plywood when they had damaged or lost the originals, which is fair enough, but I really don't see any operational problem with using the reflective Perspex plates. Reflective plates were originally brought in as a safety measure so that if you were parked on the street without lights (still illegal in the UK unless you are within so far of a street lamp, and you must park on the correct side of the road, not sure about NZ law.) then approaching cars would light up the plates from their headlights.UK has white facing front plates and yellow rear plates.
fordcrzy,
Jan 6, 5:09am
the stolen plate thing is BS. just look at the wof and rego labels on the car. as i said before the new 2011 legislation has holes right through it. the authorised registrar only has authority to issue the unique identifier(the number) and it is very veryvery vague as to who can make plates. it says the registar has the authority to choose a plate maker but thats about it. if you look at the definition of "plate" in the legislation its just a joke. if you read the new legislation you see how bad (good for us) it is.
franc123,
Jan 6, 5:23am
No it isn't, you're another one that needs to read the legislation properly.Obviously you can't alter the unique identifier, ie the number and how it reads but mods to plates! Of course you can providing its of the approved colourscheme and is displayed correctly.There are however slightly different rules for PP's.
jason18,
Jan 6, 5:39am
Probably a dealers plate on the back. Seen that around hamilton. Guy constantly drives his late model vette with a dealer plate
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