Cert?

tedigurl, Mar 4, 7:52am
i am asking on behalf of my daughter, she brought a BMW 1992 car not that long ago and is unsure weather her motor needs to be certified as the seller only told her they changed the motor from a 1.6 to a 1.8!
Also does anyone no how to change the fabric inside the car
thank you.
esprit, Mar 4, 8:58am
If the motor has been swapped from a 1.6L to a 1.8L then yes, the vehicle will need to pass a LVVTA certification process as the engine has been enlarged in capacity.

Changing the fabric inside the car can be done expensively by taking it to an auto upholsterer, or more cheaply by replacing the interior with that of a similar model BMW with a different trim level (with leather etc.)
mig5, Mar 4, 9:18am
question you kinda want to ask before you buy the car isn't it!
budgel, Mar 4, 9:31am
I dont think a cert will be neccessary as an 1800cc option is common for that model with pretty much the same running gear.
Just forget about it as no one will know.
johnf_456, Mar 4, 9:38am
Until its involved in a crash and the inspectors start digging my closely.
esprit, Mar 4, 9:51am
Legally it is necessary. As has been said, if found out after an accident, forget your insurance.
motorboy2011, Mar 4, 10:00am
im sure if insurance knew they would argue it, but unless the engine was directly the cause of the damage/accident, they wouldnt have a leg to to stand on. insurance comps pay out on cars with no reg or wof everyday when technically they shouldn't be on the road
pge, Mar 4, 10:02am
Ring your insurer and ask!

Also, as it is a less-than 20% increase, would the recert be required!
meathead_timaru, Mar 4, 10:06am
Legality is nothing to do with the insurer.

Threshold is 20% increase in power but any increase in capacity requires LVV Certification.
mrfxit, Mar 4, 10:42am
Agreed, these OEM items will need certing if .
#1 ANY increase in CC
#2 Over 20% bhp
#3 ANY non factory or modified gearbox or engine mounts
#4 ANY forced induction system fitted on an OEMnon forced induction system engine
#5 any alternative fuels system including changing of type of fuel (dedicated diesel/ petrol/ Lpg/Cng to another type)

You can fit an alternative engine/gearbox from the SAME family of engine design as long as it complies with AND stays within the limits of the above
bill-robinson, Mar 4, 11:32am
phone the LVVTA and ask them.or your local certifer whose phone number is on the above sight.
tedigurl, Mar 4, 4:32pm
they told us that they had changed the engine but they seemed honest and said no it didn't need to be cert its my daughters first modified car
tedigurl, Mar 4, 4:33pm
thank you for all your advice cheers
franc123, Mar 4, 7:26pm
You weren't told the truth.It's only a problem if a serious crash investigator or an insurance assessor finds it.Do ya feel lucky!
newtec1, Mar 4, 7:46pm
It only needs a cert if it is increased by more than 20% or somewhere near that figure.
franc123, Mar 4, 7:50pm
WRONG.Why do you people think this!ANY fitment of a larger capacity substitute engine requires one.
skull, Mar 4, 8:14pm
Why not read the thread, you are completely wrong and the correct answer has already been given.
arrithedog, Mar 4, 9:04pm
I had to get cert for same capacity, same power engine swap 'cos one of the engine mounts had to be modified. That opened a whole can of worms for other mods that HAD to be done to get the cert. Like 2 prop shaft hoops, a breather, and something else but I can't remember what it was.
marcos1, Mar 5, 5:33pm
Sniggers and points.
socram, Mar 5, 6:58pm
Therein lies the problem. The certifier went through mine with a fine tooth comb (he was being audited at the time) and as the rules had changed since he was first consulted, several extra items had to be redone.
I'd ring the insurance company and get something from them.
If any capacity increase has to be certed, then every car having a simple rebore, requiring oversize pistons, will therefore need certing!I think not.
mrfxit, Mar 5, 7:09pm
Yep correct on a technical basis. thankfully not adhered to