I came across an auction the other day. it was a vehicle sold by a dealer. now, the vehicle was listed in the text as "Low km's, and in good condition", followed a paragraph later as "this is sold as an end of life vehicle . . . "
Now, to me, I cant see how something can be both 'end of life', AND 'low kms, and in good condition'.
It is sufficient to say that it raised my ire enough to consciously decide to avoid the seller permanently, but I wondered other people's take on this. the vehicle was early 2000's with around 140km on it.
Is the dealer a dodgy dick, or am I being a bit precious?
poppy62,
Jul 26, 4:12pm
It's all in the interpretation of the wording. Early 2000s with 140ks is reasonably low for the year (not great but relates to 10ks p.a). Depending on the make and model it may be that it's now coming into some serious service costs and can be fairly considered end of life /due for major service. Costs out weigh financial viability unless someone is prepared to do the required due diligence. So maybe you're getting a bit steamed up about something that may be one mans poison but another mans meat.
jmma,
Jul 26, 4:31pm
If it is being sold as end of life, I reckon it should be de registered . That;\'s my thought anyway.
tony9,
Jul 26, 4:35pm
The dealer is trying it on.
The dealer has to support the condition from a reasonable person perspective. The words "Low km's, and in good condition" are significant and would give a reasonable person the expectation that the vehicle has no significant defects, beyond reasonable wear and tear.
The words "an end of life vehicle" are non-specific and convey no information as to the condition of the vehicle.
mm12345,
Jul 26, 4:43pm
The latter. The CGA laws applying to second-hand goods of any nature need revision. Heaven help car dealers in a few years re-selling cars which are being sold new now, with DSG/CVT/Multi ratio slush boxes, direct injection/forced induction and all the pollution control and safety systems. Then there's all the extra electronic crap in them - if you're lucky it might be Apple quality, but most likely it's mainly Acer quality - and at horrific OEM prices for replacement when it inevitably turns to custard.
gabbysnana,
Jul 26, 4:47pm
Sometimes that means it was a company or lease vehicle that has come to the end of its life within the company etc,renew policies etc.
brapbrap8,
Jul 26, 7:54pm
I traded in my girlfriends 2002 Ford Mondeo with 160km and I would have said that was an end of life car as it was going to need serious money spent on it. Traded it for $500 on a new car and I thought that was fair for the mechanical condition.
stevo2,
Jul 27, 5:53am
Apparently 5 years and 100,000km is as long as they are meant to last according to this dealer. http://www.safewayauto.co.nz/ He has this disclaimer on all of his stock. "Disclaimer Anyone purchasing vehicles at Safeway that are older than five years and having exceeded 100,000 kms should understand that the vehicle has already substantially exceeded the reasonable expectation anticipated by the manufacturer, and the manufacturer's warranty period for any component of the vehicle. Buyers must purchase only after knowing that major or small faults and repairs are likely at any time. Safeway makes no representations as to future reliability for any purpose. Therefore after stating the nature of the vehicles Safeway sells outside of the 24hr Money Back Guarantee, Safeway will not be offering any after sales service."
gabbysnana,
Jul 27, 6:56am
so they are trying to contract out of the act and also flog off vehivles at high prices that they consider are worthless, in that case they should be paying punters to take them off their hands.
franc123,
Jul 27, 7:18am
Some of their 'estimated valuations' are hilarious to say the least, and add further misleading to their advertising. Some of these outfits wouldn't be around if people actually did their homework, were not seduced by the convenient inhouse finance deals, got cars checked properly beforehand, and had a proper understanding of their rights.
a.woodrow,
Jul 27, 7:24am
I asked turners about that wording they have on their auctions and they told me they put it on their european cars to cover themselves
rob_man,
Jul 27, 8:28am
I struggle to comprehend the thinking of some people, how can it be considered beneficial in any way to have the value of your middle aged vehicle forcibly removed by legislation? If there is no outlet for trade-ins their value is diminished accordingly and it's a process which is only being put in place to protect the dim-witted who can't recognise the limitations and liabilities that might be inherent in an older vehicle. A second hand vehicle is just that, second hand. In the right hands it may have another lifetime left in it but in the hands of the terminally stupid it won't last long. If you factor in the energy and resources required to build a new car, the ecological benefits of getting the most out of the old fleet become greater as they age.
kazbanz,
Jul 27, 10:35am
The alternative is that the person doing the advertising had forgotten to untick standard vehicle text. Ie- that dealership might mostly sell end of life vehicles and the end of life bit might be standard text.
tgray,
Jul 27, 11:19am
The dealer can't have it both ways. Saying low K's and in good condition, does not support end of life criteria. On one hand he is marketing the car positively, whilst in the next breath contradicting himself to avoid comebacks.
dublo,
Jul 27, 11:25am
Should not modern, well-designed and well-serviced vehicles, be good for hundreds of thousands of kilometres? And for every car we can keep mobile for x years that means fewer new ones have to be built! Building a car uses enormous amounts of energy and raw materials.
kevin.b,
Jul 27, 8:02pm
Was the advert for a $1 reserve car?
From what I've seen, most ads with notes at the bottom about the cars being "end of life" have been from dealers who are selling trade-ins at $1 reserve.
Presumably this has been added because the vehicle hasn't been thoroughly checked over by the dealership, and so they won't want to stand behind the vehicle if it has issues after it's been sold. Or, the dealer knows the vehicle is buggered and they want to make as much money as they can without giving any comeback for the buyer.
So selling the car via $1 reserve auction as an "end of life" car instead of at a fixed price or via their yard, they are distancing themselves as far from any future problems, or disputes tribunals, as they can.
tamarillo,
Jul 27, 8:19pm
I'm confused, as usual. I thought this end of life was simply the new wording for as is where is, meaning I take NO responsibility for it once you're outa here. As long as that's clear and you know it, what's the problem? You get it cheap and take a risk like buying privately. The first part about good condition is sales banter pure, simple, and legal. But dealer decided to sell it cheap without any come backs. Go on, what did I miss?
jmma,
Jul 27, 8:21pm
Uummm they not allowed to contract out of CGA would be my guess (o:
tamarillo,
Jul 27, 8:25pm
Reckon you're right, and expect much of it will last. But what happens when the built in exclusive touch screen dies and you need it to control heating etc, but cost of new one is ridiculous? Are there enough models with same screen for after market suppliers to step in? Some frenchie car had plug for users smart phone/ tablet. Brilliant! Plug in an iPad and when it fails get another. I fear electronic problems will kill many a perfectly good car soon. Except Toyota and VW of course as they don't break.
tamarillo,
Jul 27, 8:32pm
Yes, sorry I worded that badly. Does end of life have a legal standing to reduce dealers responsibility somewhat though?
thetechman,
Jul 27, 8:50pm
Funny I thought . . .
I've bought 5 high mileage (160,000km +) vehicles in recent years and had outstanding service and reliability from them, not to mention superior ride and handling.
Common factor? Every single one had been really well maintained with regular oil and filter changes.
p.s. And surprise surprise, all were European . . . but no Mercs or BMW . . .
afer_daily,
Jul 28, 8:21am
so techman they were all dacia sanderos ?
jmma,
Jul 28, 10:49am
High mileage PPpffftt,
ianab,
Jul 28, 1:32pm
Maybe they need to employ this guy to sell their cars.
So what is the actual reason that something cannot be sold at a certain price of their choosing (i.e. not a "$1 auction") whether they are a car dealer / furniture retailer / "used hamburger" caravan (whatever they are selling) with paperwork clearly signed by the seller & purchaser, to say "this item has no warranty". In cases where the item is for any reason, sold at very little or no profit ?
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