Most truckies don't abandon the truck, they wait with it
gunhand,
Feb 21, 6:29pm
You know what I mean. Oh, and I cudda meant utes, half there owners refer to them as trucks lol.
thejazzpianoma,
Feb 21, 6:30pm
If they are going to ticket people for this absurd nonsense, then it should be a WOF requirement to carry a spare on a trailer.
However, since this cop seems to use no common sense and likes to exploit the letter of the law for personal gain. It wouldn't likely matter why the trailer was on the side of the road. It could have had a wheel bearing seize or been involved in an accident.
So where do you draw the line? Only allow cars with more than one person on the motorway? Have vehicle inspections before entering the motorway?
Once upon a time people had common sense and were offended by blatant abuse of power for personal gain. In fact, they went to war and lost their lives for it.
Nowadays, people seem to be so heavily drugged with propaganda and social manipulation they will defend even the most absurd of happenings.
It's time to wake the hang up. Aside from losing our freedoms and having our enjoyment of life eroded away by Government absurdity, we are at real danger of electing a dangerous regime to power. The non thinkers will no doubt laugh at that statement and make tin foil hat cheap shots. But dangerous comes in many forms. Besides, they laughed at me a few years ago when I said people wouldn't wake up to the over policing of our roads until there was a zero tolerance for speed, which was coming soon. Not laughing so hard on that one now are we?
thejazzpianoma,
Feb 21, 6:34pm
BTW.
I think it's time that we introduced a heavily weighted Police performance measure entitled. "Ability to police the INTENTION of the law".
This could be assessed via "mystery shopping" (another measure I would like introduced). Along with looking in to complaints, court proceedings and infringement records.
When nonsense like what we see above is uncovered then the Officer loses a grade. If it's uncovered that they have intentionally manipulated the truth in court or in their documentation and it can be proved beyond doubt. Then it's instant dismissal.
Policing the letter of the law at the expense of the intention of the law is a BAD thing. Really bad, aside from wasting resources and putting people to unnecessary hardship. It quickly erodes public support/respect for the Police. Having public support is essential, not only as an operational tool but for the survival of our Policing system.
bumfacingdown,
Feb 21, 6:36pm
The non thinkers, as you called them, would probably not come up with gems like "However, since this cop seems to use no common sense and likes to exploit the letter of the law for personal gain. " You do OK but have a tendency to post some gems that blow a lot of what else you say away
Hey jazz, People can defend all these things, it even says so on the tickets, and gives you all the address and other helpful advice. Not to draconian or, no choices , sounding to me.
smac,
Feb 21, 7:02pm
As for whether the ticket achieved anything, ask the guy who got the ticket if he now carries a spare. If the answer is 'yes' then that's kinda the end of the thread really, yeah? If the answer is no, then I'd suggest he's somewhat of a slow learner.
thejazzpianoma,
Feb 21, 7:02pm
Please don't take personal offence at me saying this, but in my experience/opinion that in itself is exploited by the Police. It's just an easy excuse for them to justify a ticket that should never have been issued in the first place, a cheap way of stopping someone rightfully taking issue with them on the side of the road. (a bit like they abuse this "attitude test" malarkey)
Aside from the waste of time "writing in" over tickets that should never been issued, it's also a significant waste of resources. The "writing in" process is also set up to be deliberately draconian in an effort to put people off (unless things have changed since I last tried it).
Lastly, they are in my opinion being deliberately fraudulent with how it operates. They don't adhere to the postal acceptance rule, they don't allow tracked letters (or didn't used to) and if a letter arrives "late" you then have NO further recourse, you cannot take the matter to court.
It's a very obvious and deliberate scam when you put the sum of these parts together. Especially as fast post letters can for some mysterious reason take weeks to arrive thus leaving you with ZERO recourse other than to pay the fine when it gets thrown in the bin. sorry. arrives "late"
thejazzpianoma,
Feb 21, 7:05pm
Its time people started engaging their brains and realising that bureaucratic nonsense is no substitute for common sense. Further more, DELIBERATELY discouraging the use of common sense as our Police do should never be tolerated. That's OUR tax dollars being completely wasted along with potentially our own time. You would surely protest if the Police started burning drums of our money in the street (although sometimes I wonder) this amounts to exactly the same thing.
bumfacingdown,
Feb 21, 7:07pm
"when it gets thrown in the bin. sorry. arrives " This must be reserved for special people as I have personally never had a problem writting in nor heard first hand from anyone else (with mssg board exception) who has had it happen.
gunhand,
Feb 21, 7:08pm
Jazz, I discuss or give a point, I rarely take offense to anything said on here. I do like seeing differing sides to stories, some things crop up that one would never think of form a differing prospective. Getting upset from someone I don't know apart from via the interweb will never happen. If I have no interest in what someones saying I ignore it lol. thank God we all have differing views. and most are sane on here.
thejazzpianoma,
Feb 21, 7:14pm
Ahhhh if only more had your attitude. Top work!
socram,
Feb 21, 9:39pm
And that gents (and ladies) is the real crux of the matter.
He got it fixed and removed within an hour, but the ticket was for leaving it unattended, not the mangled tyre making it unroadworthy.
There is a lot of supposition in some of these posts and a lack of understanding of the possibilities and/or reasons. I just hope that some of the critics of the driver are never in a similar situation where for whatever reason, they either don't have a usable spare with them or for whatever reason, have to abandon a trailer.
Having had a wheel stud turn just last month when doing a wheel check before racing, making it impossible to remove the wheel, I know only too well how the most basic of situations can turn to custard. I merely pointed out in my original post that maybe most on here were unaware that it was illegal to leave a trailer unattended.
No criticism was implied of either the car driver or the police. You can all have your own opinions, make up your own minds, but very interested in the responses!
thejazzpianoma,
Feb 21, 10:20pm
When you start Policing the letter of the law everyone loses out, sometimes even the Police themselves.
A few weeks ago I had a Police car come absolutely flying up behind me, lights and sirens on a new piece of highway being built. It was a temporary 50 zone but no work was being done at that time, the problem was though, there was a bollard each side and no room for the cop to pass.
Now, in the old days, I wouldn't have thought twice, would have just put my foot down until there was somewhere I could pull over. Yet I found myself stopping to consider, "This cop could be on his way to a life and death situation, I shouldn't hold him up. On the other hand, what if he is one of the douche bag idiot's that I have met who will ticket me, potentially for a huge amount or even take my license"
Well, I thought potentially this is someones life in the balance, there is pretty much zero extra risk to me exceeding the speed limit so I will not be forced to be an idiot and will jump on the gas. Better I get a fine than someone die.
Thing is though, many I suspect wouldn't do this nowadays, to everyone's detriment, and this is just one of many many scenarios where people lose out over utter stupidity.
The world is far too complex to legislate for every possible scenario. When you start trying to pretend that legislation trumps common sense everyone loses. It's just not possible to have a society operate this way, it's unaffordable for starters, yet still we insist on letting ourselves be driven further and further in that direction.
pauldw,
Feb 22, 4:03am
The ticket may have been for leaving it unattended but can anyone find that in the legislation. Maybe the rule that says you can't drive in an emergency stoppping lane unless the vehicle is disabled is lawyer speak for you have to be there to "drive".
whqqsh,
Feb 22, 5:59am
just a jobs-worth down on quota, Id be taking that one further
elect70,
Feb 22, 10:34am
my thoughts too . come back &find its been stripped of parts id carry a bloody spare or at least a tyre pando.for emergency
ozz1,
Feb 22, 11:03am
too true. i have tandem trailer. and it . always carries 2 spares.
mephismeltdown,
Feb 22, 11:42am
what rubbish.
lookoutas,
Feb 22, 1:13pm
It's not rubbish - McCarthy's buy new logging trucks and the spares go into the store. It's better economics to call out a service truck.
henderson_guy,
Feb 22, 1:51pm
Rubbish? Really? Perhaps you are unaware of what I do for a living. And out of nearly 100 vehicles including trucks, trailers, and other vehicles, it's only the utes that have spares on them.
What I do find interesting is that if this only a motorway offence, I wonder why it is that we allow learner drivers on the motorway, bearing in mind that it is an offence in some overseas countries, or, why do we have 80kph speed limits? Either we have motorways or we don't.
If you leave a broken down car unattended, they'll yellow sticker it and may well ring you to get a move on to shift it, but you don't usually cop a $200 fine. So what is so different about a loaded trailer?
ree6,
Feb 22, 3:03pm
How the hell is a cop going to get any "personal gain" from this ?
tamarillo,
Jun 4, 6:45pm
What he is supposed to have done then? That's like booking you if you break down in harbour bridge surely? Yes it's no stopping but when your broken you're broken? Would you advise they kept driving pulling trailer with flat tyre?
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