thats the old model and it be Lhd but there is the new models of sandero , duster and logan in rhd you can buy from england they are all euro 5 emission i just dont know if stability controll is already compulsury also for any new import in to nz. Be a project for somone living in the usa. as iowa is a usa state i would guess.
intrade,
Feb 7, 7:34am
also you realise why i like these cars not because they are a good make like renault. no because they have the least amount of electronic component crap fitted. no other vehicle in the world has less, but they started adding more crap and you can buy it fully equipped also. then it becomes the same pile of crap as any other make when you buy it fully equipped. we got the base model sandero and a older friend in europe who had a mitsubishi station wagon when i told him his engine is about to fall out because there was no front crossmember existing apart from crumbled rust, he went and got the fully equiped sandero diesel. He did not listen to what i said was the reason we got the base model. he got it fully equipped because it was so cheap to buy with all the stuff. the extra stuff is the crap that makes it brake down it was the main reason to buy a dacia so you dont have all the crap. that went straight over the top of his head.
countrypete,
Feb 7, 7:37am
Hey, I was kidding, ok? But at least there is no euro engine in those to go wrong.
intrade,
Feb 7, 7:48am
who knows maybe the newer generation need all them crap because thy all want to be spoon feed from the day they are born till they die. In that case we all be driving the new vw poeton . i just read it is self driving up to 60kph and assists on high speed overtaking . Would be perfect for the numbnuts of today , they can jump in cars and plant the foot on to the accelearator and go! the car will save them anyhow , solong as it all works correctly , and the electronic problems are like mount everest on modern cars with numbnuts dealers not knowing the first thing about ohms law . No selftesting equipment will ever be able to diagnose a problem it was not programmed for.
I could imagin that we will have optical systems instead of wiring in the future and that would stop the high resistence problems of ohms law and the computers would see when the optical data dont get thru and re.route the data via a other optical core , but it will need to be programmed for every possibile and impossibile situation or it too will just fail and leave somone from the outside to figure why and where it went wong
delmic,
Feb 7, 7:52am
I just love intrades posts
intrade,
Feb 7, 8:16am
If you think back loads of cars had basic vehicles like the citroen 2cv a pile of crap in my opinion but it was basic and easy to fix by some diy guy with what you could call garden chairs for seats . then there was the fiat panda tin box even in 4x4 version+ it too was basic and cheap. russian lada still sell new in europe but the laws just now prohibited the sales also from this or last year. Currently in nz you can not get a car brand new that would be considered basic , The kia picanto suzuki and holdon berina are the most cheap brand along with cherry but the chinese one drops off for way to high fuelconsumption figures , but the others are no where near basic models with electric windows instead of manual levers a actuarl person can controll like you find it on the dacia base model-sandero. The duster already has more crap from dacia like you cant have that with manual window winders .
franc123,
Feb 7, 8:27am
Those things would only have parts value in the markets they got sold in, worthless everywhere else. Wonder what happened to the drivetrains out of them, someone must know where they are!
skull,
Feb 7, 3:23pm
They are back in the factory, never fitted to the car. read post 1 link.
aredwood,
Feb 8, 11:47am
Mitsi L300 would be the most basic new vehicle you can buy in NZ. No airbags, no abs, no stability control, no aircon (afaik). But does have manual winder windows. The 2.5 petrol engine is probably out of a Galant or similar. Just make sure you don't crash it. Or you will have no legs.
sr2,
Feb 8, 4:54pm
At the risk of playing the Devils advocate the question has to be asked; why then are modern cars so much more reliable?
mrfxit,
Feb 8, 5:33pm
Better metals Higher precision of moving parts Better exhaust systems (internal head to tail pipe) Reliable fuel injection systems Better suspensions Higher precision internally balanced engines
Where the modern vehicles go wrong is the holistic approach of tying in far too many electronics/electrical gear together including most of the gear thats NOT directly related to running the engine/gearbox.
Then theres the manufactures snafu's on top
sr2,
Jun 30, 1:02pm
mrfxit wrote:
Where the modern vehicles go wrong is the holistic approach of tying in far too many electronics/electrical gear together including most of the gear thats NOT directly related to running the engine/gearbox./quote]
I'd have to disagree, having one centralised ECU offers huge benefits in safety, efficiency, and performance. Modern electronics are not only incredibly reliable they are the main reason behind how much cars have improved in the last decade.
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