except when they introduced it, they had an extra fatality that year compared to when it was 100 100 is already safe
slower doesnt equal safer
slower equals more day-dreaming behind the wheel
crashing isnt inevitable - you dont need to crawl for "when" you crash
if your crashing - its not your speed at fault - its YOU
YOUR ATTENTION SPAN IS AT FAULT
craigs_workshop,
Dec 27, 9:21am
people like him, & their mentality, are why theres low overtaking & long queues
kimbo88,
Dec 27, 9:28am
As has been said above, it is driver inattention/lack of situational awareness that causes the majority of crashes. Speed may or may not be a contributing factor, but often isn't. Even the police themselves have said that the huge amount of crashes over the past few days were in the main the result of driver inattention. Be it looking away from the road, fiddling with stereos, ventilation, phones etc - the main cause, as usual, has been inattention. If someone crosses the white line doing 80 instead of 100, the cause of the subsequent crash is inattention and not speed. The lower speed simply means less of a mess, which should never have happened in the first place, at whatever speed.
craigs_workshop,
Dec 27, 9:33am
slower equals more day dreaming behind the wheel
let me put it another way :
speeders pay attention
neell,
Dec 27, 9:34am
New Zealand roads are more suitable for 100k speed limits, suggesting 200kph is a little silly. I have been on the Germany autobahns at 200kph, perfectly safe.
intrade,
Dec 27, 9:35am
so what exactly do you try to say here. drunks drive better at higher speed or drunks dont drive on the open road?
tweake,
Dec 27, 9:50am
a few things.
drivers always make mistakes, even the best drivers. results of that depends greatly on various things. speed is a big one.
reducing the speed limit down to the average speed for the road is not a bad idea at all. driving time is not increased by much.
reducing speed limits does reduce crashes and injury/death. thats simple physics. stats for some of the black spots will show that.
most trips in nz are very short. by mem bulk of them are 15min or less. kiwis do not drive long trips. eg 4hr drives is a only a small amount of trips done.
imho one big problem is drivers attitude. they are taught to drive like its a sprint race rather than an endurance event. part of that is culture and that kiwis don't drive long distances.
200kmh roads LOL. they can't even maintain 100kmh roads let alone the skill and cost of maintaining 200kmh roads.
tweake,
Dec 27, 9:57am
theres a ton of other factors. roads where worse. many highways where still gravel road. cars where worse. lack of seabelts, no crumple zones etc. worse handling, typically heavier. less drivers and less police so people could get away with being a drunk or stoned driver.
don't forget pressures from society influence drivers. if things are very good and people are hooning around enjoying themselves without a care in the world or depressed/angry due to stock crash or mortgage interest rates forcing people from homes and they retaliate by attacking people on the road.
nightsky1,
Dec 27, 10:04am
What a load of complete bollocks.
Do you know anything about how an auto trans actually works or have you ever heard of taking a rest while driving long distance.
please tell us the closest you get to a car is watching repeats of top gear while at the rest home loung.
clatty,
Dec 27, 10:09am
They used to say most deaths occur 10 minutes from home, if this true and people cannot concentrate for 10 minutes you have to wonder what they do the rest of the time.
purple666,
Dec 27, 10:27am
Whatever the speed limit is you need everyone going at the same speed and leaving good gaps. You know what it is like on a trip when you get in a line of same speed traffic, it all goes great until either a faster or slower car gets involved, then it all turns to mulick.
2get1,
Dec 27, 10:29am
yeah agree, recently left Porirua at 4am didn't stop, sat at a good steady speed for 4hrs 25mins until I got to Cambridge. No danger, no stress, no crashes no tickets.
2get1,
Dec 27, 10:36am
and further compound the tunnel vision, once focused on "crashes" they then just focus on speed as a contributing factor, one of many,but its the only one they concentrate on.
tweake,
Dec 27, 11:39am
its most crashes occur within 10 minutes (might be 10km) from home. thats because average trip length is only 15 min or so, so bulk of your driving is close to home. also people get complacent on roads they drive often. over time they become lazy and drive badly.
henderson_guy,
Dec 27, 12:44pm
Do you only read this board to tell people off for "speeding"?
neell,
Dec 27, 12:45pm
That's the same as saying white cars are more dangerous than any other colors because they have more accidents. Using that logic the road toll will drop dramatically if you get rid of white cars
tgray,
Dec 27, 12:53pm
I stuck my GPS on the 2008 Corolla today and the speedo was reading 100kph and the GPS said 93kph, so I sped up to 100k and felt like I was overtaking everyone else on the road. Even went past a cop, who turned his head and looked at me but that was it. I felt like I was speeding but the GPS doesn't lie.
clatty,
Dec 27, 12:56pm
Are you sure that argument is sound
neell,
Dec 27, 1:06pm
Not at all but it is along the same logic as using the most crashes accur within in 10km/10 minutes from home
tamarillo,
Dec 27, 1:11pm
Well the worst driving I saw today between Neeson and Picton was a dawdler maxing 80 often 70. 20 plus cars bunched up, some get restless and start tailgating, people looking for passing but no dual lanes. Couple of cars do bad overtakes. Lots of places for moron to pull over but won't. We need to remember speed is a basic human desire. It's not bad to want to travel quicker. It's bad to drive dangerously and I considerately.
clatty,
Dec 27, 1:12pm
but they do , people die where they live . Do some reseach
wind.turbine,
Dec 27, 1:13pm
haha just dont rely on GPS when traveling up of down a hill, your ground speed remains the same but you GPS speed will be slower
pestri,
Dec 27, 1:27pm
Hmmm do these stats (UK) point to the problem and suggest a solution?
Table RAS51010, below, shows that in both 2000 and 2010 of all car drivers, those aged under thirty had the most drink drive accidents. Young car drivers (aged 17-24) had more drink drive accidents per 100 thousand licence holders and per billion miles driven than any other age group. Car drivers aged 60 years old and over had the least
I see you have a little trouble with comprehension, so I'll type this slowly in the hope you can keep up.
Most people drive within 10km/minutes of their home more often than they drive farther away, by simple logic if you are in an area more often the more chance you have of having an accident there. Applying the same logic to white cars - the more white cars there are on the road (most common colour) the greater the chance of them being involved in an accident. Both set of circumstances will have nothing to do with the speed limit wether it be 90kph or 100kph which oddly enough was the original topic of this thread.
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