I realize they would handle different,but since I hav,nt done so, I would like to ask those who know what is what. Just on a small cc bike, under200cc. Thanks in advance and all info mucho apprecd. cheers AJ
tulip17,
Jun 14, 4:14pm
Use to ride similar sized farmbike with sidecar, feels like something is working against you on inward turns initially, you get use to it. Can use it to your advantage to if you want to speedway slide. Mate and I were out on our xr650r's and two gsxr1000's came past on idle sounding like something from star wars - we all ended up hanging around 140 clicks and a guy on a bike with a sidecar came barrelling past us all holding on for grim death lolollllol it looked bloody dangerous, sidecar was just a low slug platform - did not look in complete control of it.
desmodave,
Jun 14, 4:18pm
Ask on Kiwibiker . I have never ridden a side car but guess that a lot more pressure would be needed on the bars to keep you pointed where you want to be heading . Under 200cc would be working hard i reckon but would still be fun in a wet paddock . Will it be for on road or off ? . Should be something to watch on youtube all so .
kazbanz,
Jun 14, 4:20pm
Beetle riding a sidecar is NOTHING like riding a motorcycle. Grab a handful of brakes and it will try to turn around the bike. Grab a handful of throttle and it tries to turn around the third wheel. The dynamics of turning are different from side to side. and different from both a car or a bike.
First riide I would be in a big field to give yourself plenty of space.
purple666,
Jun 14, 4:58pm
Spoken like a man that has actually had a go at riding one. They are like nothing else that is for sure.
beetle1234,
Jun 14, 5:12pm
Do they ride different with suspension,hard mounted or soft mounted?just looking at different system,s. Cheers AJ
beetle1234,
Jun 14, 5:17pm
Sorry for all the Q,s but is the reason for turning s/way,s torque steer?,Power on ,would it be different?
kenw1,
Jun 14, 5:20pm
The setting up of the side car in relation to the bike is critical.
The brakes as said above are a whole new world.
Had a side car on my AJS Bullet, brings back memories.
The mounts if I recall are something that makes or kills you. I never felt that mine was in the right position fore and aft against the bike.
tulip17,
Jun 14, 5:21pm
Yes just like anything.
Unless they are a track bike you not going to be going balls out with their intent cruising. They not that hard to ride, hardly Mick Doohan or Shane King capabilities needed going by most riders riding them.
twincam1,
Jun 14, 6:24pm
Bike and chair are safest vehicles on the road.
tub4,
Jun 14, 6:26pm
I found you had to bring your forks back a little so you'll need to make new triple trees and even then you need big balls over the ton. If you've got it under control you can make grown man scream like little girls.
cagivachick1,
Jun 14, 7:12pm
saw a old guy stop at a red light on a old bike, he pulled up at the line, stopped, slowly fell over, i helped him up he said he forgot he had taken the sidechair off
tamarillo,
Jun 15, 5:11pm
Beetle, are you asking how different it is from a motorbike of a car? It's totall different from motorbike and steers in opposite direction, you turn bars like an atv. If you leant on bar trying to counter steer like a bike you'd go wrong way. All the other problems come from one driving wheel on one side, and most of the weight on one side so it's very different beast going left from going right. Watching a side car wheel lift as rider turns awAy from it is awesome and terrifying. Be good fun though, and there's a few Vespas with side cars that would be huge fun. http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nL8mYBNM5zg/hqdefault.jpg
Why are you thinking of small sidecar outfit?
kazbanz,
Jun 16, 7:44am
suspension wise they are "like" anything else. the ride will change according to a bunch of variables. 1)Size/type of chair. 2)chair mounting position 3) third wheel position. 4)suspension setup both of the chair and the bike 5)camber of chair That's the basic setup stuff. As a rule you run a much heavier setup on the front end of the bike than for just a bike alone for fairly odvious reasons.
doglover2003,
Jun 16, 9:29am
Biggest variable is natural riding talent
kazbanz,
Jun 16, 9:39am
nahh mate--not the FIRST time you ride a chair. Everything is so different. You have to change the way you deal with just about everything.
purple666,
Jun 16, 10:02am
I've seen HD forks that were adjustable for rake when running a chair, early Electraglide from memory.
doglover2003,
Jun 16, 1:28pm
If the gods of speed have given you the talent you quickly adjust to any dynamic, have more of a feel for change. Ridden many bikes with chairs and was not hard. When you learned to ride a pushbike it was probably hard but no doubt not now, chair no different. Some learn to ride push bikes quicker, chair no different.
ladatrouble,
Jun 16, 3:47pm
I'll have to jump on you with this one too - first time I rode a chair, I went about a km down the road to a dead end street, went round in circles with the chair in the air. came back home 5 minutes later, full lock sideways down the road and straight up my drive, sorted. Put my wife on one, she was trying to countersteer the lean out and kept going into the hedge.
gsimpson,
Jun 16, 3:54pm
It is about the different dynamics of a bike and a trike. Bike. Balance with handlebars. Steer with weight. Trike Balance with weight. Steer with handlebars.
Nope, no doubt this will start another debate but this is an old fallacy disproven. The only thing that happens with weight is that if you move your whole body to one side the centre of balance changes slightly, and only very noticeable at very low speed. When riders say that put weight on right peg at low speed and bike moved, its only because to push on right peg they've moved body to right. At speed weight it does very very little and you can't control the bike enough with weight. Counter steering through handlebars is what steers a bike, not weight. Many riders don't know they are doing it but they'd have crashed a long time ago if they weren't! http://www.soundrider.com/archive/safety-skills/nobsbike.aspxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOGQ-HePrT8
Roll on the argument but let me get in first by saying NO I didn't simply google this, I only supply the links for others to see.
doglover2003,
Jun 16, 5:10pm
You are exactly the sort of individual I was talking about.
ladatrouble,
Jun 16, 6:46pm
If you are used to being sideways, throwing a chair around is home territory. I used to do right handers like a speedway chair - full lock entry, then turning to understeer with throttle, back off to swing it around again, then on the gas into understeer again. I was flying my VW/Ural chair with my 3 year old daughter in it one day, and she started screaming - oops, this could be a problem when we get home. When I stopped she told me to do it again - ah, screams of excitement!.
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