Interesting reading. I understood if power is over 25% more you need cert? Plus it is a whole different type of engine. On one hand I would not post on auction and stick my nose in, and it is buyers beware, but it's worrying some are saying it is fine and actually with that amount of extra power in a car that had so little to start who is to say the brakes are up to it? I know escorts are well up to more power, but there ain't no dispensation for certain models. Hmmmmmm.
pf,
May 26, 4:22pm
the Mk2 in Wellington ? .
gmphil,
May 26, 4:31pm
say wot know !?
joanie32,
May 26, 4:57pm
Needs a cert, no two ways about it.
lookoutas,
May 26, 5:18pm
And murray's back.
Haven't seen him on here - the temptation must be too dangerous for him.
franc123,
May 26, 5:19pm
Indeed, any muppet could work out from the chassis number and carjam that all that particular car originally was is a 1300 Mk2 sedan that was NZ assembled in Feb 1980 and it needs certing no ifs or buts. Australian assembled ones were indeed available with a 2.0 option across a few variants , including their own breed of RS2000 that had a number of differences to the UK one, but that particular car was not one of them so I'm not sure where that idea came from. The whole auction and the questions are amusing to say the least to those of us who actually know a thing or two about Brit/Euro Fords.
tony9,
May 26, 5:21pm
Two ways to look at it.
The Legal and theoretical one, my hypothetical 850 mini with a 1275 engine DOES need a LVV cert.
The practical one, if my woffer does not recognise or chooses to ignore the mod then I can happily drive around in my hypothetical 850 mini with a 1275 engine with no worries.
seadubya,
May 26, 6:26pm
If he has been banned from the message boards, he can still buy, sell and ask questions on auctions.
mrfxit,
May 26, 6:37pm
Engine Cert regulations are .
Over 20% increase in HP 1cc increase in engine capacity Addition of ANY forced induction systems Different family of engine. Modified engine mounts.
Reality's are more like . >
Anything close to 20% increase in HP will need to be dyno'd to prove you are under. 100cc increase in cc rating would be fine provided the overall increase in hp is well under the 20% limit & theres no way of externally knowing the difference
mrfxit,
May 26, 6:41pm
Until you have an accident & the insurance inspector is smart enough to spot the difference = denied insurance claim for an undeclared substantial engine performance mod.
cammey,
May 26, 6:42pm
Reality is you can do anything that the WOF man wont notice.
joanie32,
May 27, 4:07pm
If the wof man can't tell the difference between a 2 litre ohc, and a 1300 pushrod motor, he shouldn't be a wof man.
mrfxit,
May 27, 4:14pm
Oh just to clear the air a bit. I am all in favor of a well done & sensible engine transplant. I just like to remind ppl about the insurance issues in the event of a prang.
seadubya,
May 27, 4:33pm
It does lead me to wonder about full disclosure to your insurance company. If they know that it is modified and uncertified through your disclosure at the time of insuring, could they refuse to pay out?
tony9,
May 27, 4:47pm
Only relevant if the insurance company can demonstrate that the engine or other changes contributed to the claim.
Since the Insurance Law Reform Act a claim cannot be rejected for a reason that is not relevant to the claim. Disclosure or not.
tony9,
May 27, 4:47pm
Short Answer = No.
tub4,
May 27, 7:14pm
Our son had a DX Toyota wagon fitted with a 1600 twin cam, 5 speed, LS Diff and lowered while he was 1st in the RAF all this with no cert, he had one of those declaration sheets. 7 WOFs before selling it to another RAF lad. I'm sure those declarations got changed from time to time
a.woodrow,
May 27, 7:37pm
I think you would find that the insurance co would say that the car in it's current uncertified state would not have been insured by them in the first place and they would void the policy on that basis
That sounds right. The certification process is not policed, in that it is up to you as vehicle owner to put your hand up and say it needs certifying. Or maybe WOF guy will notice something. But that doesn't mean it's voluntary, I am very sure that driving something with mods that should be certified, without certifying, means your vehicle cannot legally be on road. And if you're booked by keen copper, or Sussed by insurance, you're stuffed. Like wof, if you put bald tyres on after you got wof you are still driving illegally. Sad that on one hand we object to nanny state, but when we are given some credit for making intelligent decisions some think it's cool to try and ignore the law. In my book that much power in a escort meant for a 1300 Kent is just not safe untill proven to be, and I'd rather it wasn't on road. Humph
franc123,
May 27, 8:21pm
So, these clauses in the policy about giving false and/or misleading information and not disclosing modifications are completely meaningless are they? If you insure your crappy old R32 Skyline with no declared mods and replace its factory RB20E with a roughly installed 26DETT and then have even a low speed crash, an assessor is going to say yep that's fine we will pay for all damage? I'd like to see it happen.
clangie,
Sep 8, 1:02pm
when you get a car certed for say an engine swap, they cert EVERYTHING that isnt standard pretty much, wheels,steering wheels, everything
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