I have finally come to the conclusion that these EV car thingee are here to stay, so it is time I started to learn some stuff about them. On tv there is an ad which talks about this particular brand of cars get 200km between charges. how long would it take to recharge it?. so say on a 300km road trip you would have to stop at the 200km mark and wait x minutes for a charge up. I assume when buy one of these cars it comes with a charger that you hang on the wall in the shed / garage. what is the sort of electrical requirement to do a charge up. single phase 230v @ y amps / watts ? I see the local The Warehouse has a charger station, which is all fine and dandy but when you go to use i suspect you just hope that somebody else does not the same idea and got in before you !
poppy62,
Jul 23, 5:40am
You'll find everything in the search bar to the left of "Post a Mesage" Box. Just put EV as the Keyword and enter Last Year in Date posted. Happy reading.
,
Jul 23, 6:43am
Totally depends on the charger, currently installed 50kw fast chargers to charge 300km about 50ish mins, Tesla Superchargers do 120kw so about 30 mins. In reality you spend a lot less time charging your car than you do filling a petrol one with gas.
99% of your charging is done at home which is stop pick up the plug (I just have one in the shed plugged in all the time) and plug it into the car. Car charges over night. I also keep one in the boot for using in my warehouse.
Single phase at 3.3kw your probably something like 12 hours for 300km, I do 100km per day in my car and it starts charging at 11pm and its always finished when I get up at 6am and thats using a very slow EVSE (8 amp), Most are 15amp and you can go as high as 27.5amps which the correct wiring etc which brings your charge times down a lot.
db.price,
Jul 23, 7:01am
Not sure how you can say you spend more time filling a car with gas? Take me about 4 minutes to fill my car fro dead empty - and that goes for 650km without stopping.
EVs great cars if you want to cruise short trips in town - they are not designed (yet) for long trips unless your spend megabucks on them.
gblack,
Jul 23, 7:24am
Guessing they are talking about how much time a person spends fuelling a vehicle. For a petrol/diesel vehicle, total time to fuel every week or two would include having to travel to gas station or stop off on the way somewhere, fuel up and pay. min of 5 to 10 minutes every week or two. With EVs most of the time they charge at home, so over a year or two total time spent by a person 'fuelling' is probably more similar than most people realise.
,
Jul 23, 7:33am
Because it takes 10 seconds to plug my car in and I can do it at home where I would park my car anyway. How often do you do 650kms really, a couple of times a year? I bet its not often you spend less than 10 minutes at the gas station by the time you've paid and bought a box of mints.
I have another vehicle for long distance travel and maybe it does 3000 km per year, versus my EV doing 30000km per year.
bigfatmat1,
Jul 23, 7:46am
The charger is normally built in. Times range from considerably depending on battery capacity to charger capacity. However fast chargers charge battery directly. And can charge a battery in a leaf in around 30 mins. There are different types of 230v chargers that can be specd when buying new
cjohnw,
Jul 23, 7:50am
Nah, not even close! “Pay at pump†on my iphone, probably less than 10 minutes EVERY time I gas up. Would take you 20 minutes to find your charge cord under the pile of crap in your boot and unravell it! Lol.
loud_37,
Jul 23, 7:52am
skylarc wrote: How often do you do 650kms really, a couple of times a year?
I do a minium 400kms per day, so an EV is no good for me.
harm_less,
Jul 23, 8:21am
You have no idea how EV charging happens at home.
Pop the charge socket cover on the vehicle, grab the lead off of the wall mount and plug it into the car's socket on your way into the house. Job done!
,
Jul 23, 8:40am
No at the moment an EV is no good for you, but this will change pretty quickly. Most people do about 32km per day which is nothing for even the bottom of the line EV.
You get the most benefit when you're driving to its limit every day, for me commuting 100km per day it saves a fortune.
tamarillo,
Jul 24, 2:58am
Andrew, you live in Blenheim so ev would only be any good if it was a second car for you as you won't get around South Island without planning and waiting for charging. Infrastructure isn't here yet.
elect70,
Jul 24, 3:07am
What they dnt give out isthe range travelling a a steady 100KPh . Most designed for city commuting /short tris not long distance---yet .
buyit59,
Jul 24, 3:12am
I am led to believe that lots of 'Rapid charging' is not good for the long life of batteries and Skylarc is prob getting the best by running battery down then doing doing slow charge . Friends Leaf has just dropped to 10 bars of battery life and its only got 16,000km on clock so suspect its been rapid charged lots in previous life and range when fully charged is 113km . Tends to lose a km every day and a half it not used . No Good for me at present cos I do 145km daily in a single trip . Think those chargers at supermarkets cost $40 or $50,000 so don't expect them to be free forever .
bigfatmat1,
Jul 24, 3:41am
Maybe your friends leaf is a 30kw where the lbc under reports on its SOH. Also its not exactly fast charging that kills the battery its the heat generated by fast charging that causes problems. The 30 kw nissan leaf has no thermal management when fast charging. which is rediculous
,
Jul 24, 4:09am
Actually fast charging doesn't harm the battery as such, quite a few tests have shown that batteries fast charged exclusively there whole life show very little difference in condition versus those that are not. However heat does harm your battery and fast charging multiple times in a row to 100% without letting the battery cool has the potential to do damage. In New Zealand this is less of an issue as our mild climate means you have to charge many many times in quick succession to do any damage. The recent 30kwh battery issue reported in the media was actually shown to be an issue with the battery management system in the car reporting incorrectly (this has happened with other models in the past) not an issue with the battery itself. Nissan have released a software update that fixes the issue. My wife has a 30kwh leaf and it gets fast charged fairly regularly and I fast charge my car when I need to. 5 in a row on a trip to Dunedin and back in a day, the battery temperature is displayed on the dashboard so unless your pretty foolish you can't really overheat the battery.
The big fast chargers (the Chargenet ones are the most common) are around $60k, the supermarket ones are a lot cheaper and don't cost a huge amount to run (most cars can only draw 3.3kw) so its unlikely you'll have to pay for those. Fast chargers are generally a paid service although there's a few free ones around still.
,
Jul 24, 4:14am
Pretty much all our travel is at 100km, we live 40km from Chch and 50km from Ashburton, one car goes to Chch and one to Ashburton every day.
Looks like Nissan NZ is not going to supply the update. Still people can get it done though through GVI or EVS enhanced. Think its around $250 I believe nissan doesnt want to support japanese imports.
,
Jul 24, 5:16am
Nissan suck sometimes, the car is good but considering it was New Zealanders who discovered the problem in the first place its incredibly lame of them not to help out.
bigfatmat1,
Jul 24, 5:24am
Here is a module out of a 30kw leaf that has been so hot its burst leaked all the electrolyte out causing HV voltage on the vehicles 12v supply shutting the vehicle down https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/838655048.jpg I have done a few of these lately
bigfatmat1,
Jul 24, 5:26am
Nissan Nz is run by Nissan Australia
,
Jul 24, 6:10am
Yeah it's caused by excessive fast charging, apparently the new update prevents it in the same way as it does on the 40.
tamarillo,
Jul 24, 7:23am
I have never understood why a NZ company should be expected to give free support for an imported product they didn't sell. Critics Nissan global maybe, but Nissan NZ?
jantar,
Jul 24, 7:56am
4 times this month so far.
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