For those haw hawing at my suggesting that Renaults own badged product has better build quality than their Nissan badged Tiida product (Renault owns both).
Aside from the obvious, which is that the Clio is galvanised and the Tiida is not (and is barely rust proofed).
Have a look at these zoomable high definition photographs of a Tiida engine vs a Clio engine. In particular look at the wiring which is taped together in the Tiida (Yes that is factory, I thought some idiot had been tampering with the wiring the first time I saw one). Look at the Clio's proper fitted battery with base holder vs the Tiida's 1970's style battery holder. The Tiida's poor quality battery terminal clamps and under sized main cables.
Like I said, if you took the badges off and asked an engineer which country made the Tiida, they would likely say China.
BTW, I am not a Renault fan by any means. The point I am trying to make is that it's pointless buying a Tiida for Japanese reliability when it's not really Japanese and isn't even built to the lowest of French domestic standards.
Buy a car because it's actually good, not because the company made a good product 25 years ago when they were owned by someone else. Or because it appears really popular in our little isolated country that buys almost all it's cars used from Japan.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 19, 9:01am
Here is a Tiida suspension arm, not cast, not even a decent box section.
What exactly are you wanting me to produce Snoopy?
There is an enormous wealth of information on the net regarding those transmissions if you don't want to take my word for it. There are articles I have posted previously about Nissan reprimanding Jatco and stating their profit margins have been ruined due to the issue etc. There are the various class action lawsuits over it. it's all there for anyone who cares to google.
If that is not what you want, what exactly are you after?
snoopy221,
Aug 19, 9:10am
The word of the specialst rebuilder who only rebuilds these transmissions and who has showed me the various failures, explained when they fail, how and why etc
Quote snoopy221 (433 433 positive feedback) 1:55 pm, Sat 4 Aug #50
So do you have any links? as to as STATED . these transmissions and who has showed me the various failures, explained when they fail, how and why etc.
QOUTE! There is an enormous wealth of information on the net regarding those transmissions.
Here we go does this mean some Actual Facts are coming?
* The word of the specialst rebuilder who only rebuilds these transmissions and who has showed me the various failures, explained when they fail, how and why etc
Quote snoopy221 (433 433 positive feedback) 1:55 pm, Sat 4 Aug #50
fourteen days ago
AND A LILL GURL still WAITS.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 19, 9:13am
Instead of all the quotes, just tell me in plain English. Are you wanting me to post the links to those articles I mentioned again because you don't want to google them?
Of course I don't have any links to the rebuilder if that is what you mean because I was standing there beside him, he doesn't live in the internet.
snoopy221,
Aug 19, 9:18am
Well gawd damn bugga me
as an apprentice i was standing there beside whoever was teaching me Hell as i child i was in the same learning
Which allows me to simply post as it was with the true facts
So why can't you?
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 19, 9:20am
I give up! If someone else can translate Snoopy please do.
snoopy221,
Aug 19, 9:24am
The word of the specialst rebuilder who only rebuilds these transmissions and who has showed me the various failures, explained when they fail, how and why
Of course I don't have any links to the rebuilder if that is what you mean because I was standing there beside him, he doesn't live in the internet.
Well gawd damn bugga me
as an apprentice i was standing there beside whoever was teaching me Hell as i child i was in the same learning
Which allows me to simply post as it was with the true facts
So why can't you
snoopy221,
Aug 19, 9:27am
Leta alone in a thread here tonight a tiida that has done well over the alleged -[If jazz KNOWS WHAT HE ? ] Has to stop there as he has not produced any proof
And has been asked as he HAS STATED he has proof
Which allows me to simply post as it was with the true facts
So why can't you
snoopy221
snoopy221,
Aug 19, 9:29am
I give up! If someone else can translate Snoopy please do.
Quote thejazzpianoma (263 263 positive feedback) 11:20 pm, Sat 18 Aug #8
There ya go easy as 10 examples of tiida failed transmissions and the reason why all failed.
ignition328,
Aug 19, 9:31am
The one that isn't assholed into the curb? I mean it's well and merry to outline one component but it only has to be stronger than the spot welds holding it to the frame in the end.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 19, 9:36am
Still confused as hell so I am going to start guessing.
This google search will return truck loads of links regarding the class action lawsuits.
If what you are wanting is an explanation of how they break?
Well that's the interesting thing. From what I have seen it's not just one or two problems like you usually get. For example Aisin A55 transmissions as used in Volvos etc tend to have valve body issues as do their next model 6 speed transmission. Honda CVT's eat their clutch packs but are otherwise good etc.
With the Tiida transmission it's a big mixed bag. Sometimes its bearings, sometimes its valve body, sometimes its speed sensors or stepper motor failures. Sometimes it's wiring. They are an incredibly simple transmission and actually nice to work on once removed. However they just don't seem to be designed to last.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 19, 9:39am
Not really how control arms are held in place. I get the point you are trying to make but this is a highly stressed part and yes they are well known for bending. Sure abuse doesn't help, but to some degree curbs etc happen and obviously the pressed steal part will bend long before the cast one gives any problem.
snoopy221,
Aug 19, 9:42am
10.
snoopy221,
Aug 19, 9:43am
After all jazz your bias is so extreme that ya cannae really base it on google generality as it is so specific and hey 10 can't be hard ta find if ya RIGHT .
meow_mix,
Aug 19, 10:39am
Nissan might be owned by Renault, but that doesn't mean Nissan have forgotten how to build quality cars. Just look at a GTR, Fuga, or Patrol to see that they still make A+ cars. OK their little shopping basket Tiida might be a bit average, but people seem to like them.
flack88,
Aug 19, 7:09pm
Tiida are a hideous thing,fine if you like driving a fridge,least the Fiat feels like drivers car and engauge the road,and as said they are simple to maintain,cheap parts.
morrisman1,
Aug 19, 7:36pm
Jazz, at a recent racing event here, I damaged my car for the first time. spun and when the front grabbed the hay bail it flicked the rear into the kerb, sideways and hard. Bent the rim, bent the trailing arm. but the two very flimsy pressed steel lower control arms came out unscathed. I expected them to be the first thing to bend as they are like tin foil! Its easy for you to pick on things like the pressed steel control arms, but Id say Nissan engineers are more competent at stress analysis on their components than you, and I'm confident that they are fit for purpose. Worst case scenario if you had a big understeer into a kerb somewhere due ice/gravel etc, then you would bend the control arm about 0.25 seconds before you write the rest of the car off anyway.
I've said this before on vehicle quality, the Jap cars have far better build quality than the euros. Yes you jump into a Tiida and the first thing that goes through your mind is 'this is not my bentley', but regardless of the cheaper materials used (which are nowhere near as bad as chinese cars that you have claimed), they are still very well put together. While VW are busy designing complex and fancy plastic clips for their radiator hoses to impress people like you, Nissan were building their hoses into the cylinder block, and then using a simple hose clamp on the few external hoses. They did it so there were less points of failure.
Remember that fancy does not equal quality. Your ignorance on this matter is highlighted by pointing out petty and irreverent things like a battery clamp that Nissan used. Go on, please enlighten us on how many Tiida's are going around with their wiring looms failing due to having sections tape wrapped? My mother's one is 12 years old now, and the only thing needed replaced was front brake pads at about 120k, not even the battery has been replaced, its still original and no sign of giving up yet.
tgray,
Aug 19, 7:39pm
OP, with regards to your specific thread title, I don't think anyone here has ever suggested the build quality of a Tiida is better than a Clio. I certainly haven't.
slarty45,
Aug 19, 7:47pm
You can haw haw all you like
How about you protest on the footpath outside dealers who sell cars you HATE
You could make an utter spectacle of yourself FOSman
supernova2,
Aug 19, 7:51pm
Just to confuse the discussion. The Renault partnership is now Renault, Nissan, Lada & Mitsubishi. As a person who owns/has owned all of those brands I now think that since the partnership/alliance a lot of the product is a combination of the worst aspects of each brand rather than the best aspects of each brand. Unfortunately it's called cost cutting. A bit like a F&P home appliance is now a Haier piece of junk.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 19, 7:54pm
Fair call. I was just having a dig at Franc123 who was apparently pissing himself with laughter when I suggested in another thread that Tiida's were not actually as well built as Renaults own badged product.
Which I think is a very reasonable statement for the reasons above.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 19, 8:00pm
It's funny, I very nearly used F&P as an example too. They are a perfect correlation in my opinion. Used to be great products, are still popular but are now crap. They still look appealing on the outside but take the front off a F&P dishwasher and you see the same sort of cheap and nastyness as under the bonnet of a Tiida.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 19, 8:08pm
BTW, a very genuine and warm welcome back tgray.
bumfacingdown,
Aug 19, 8:38pm
What happened to "Japan has a culture of honour (especially in business). They strive for continuous improvement (kaizen)."?
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