certainly getting the n02 treatment . and probably getting payed bugger all but what a expirence
soundsgood,
Jul 3, 5:26am
Lots of issues for many drivers and teams in Austria.
Hartley took to the race in a car with the bits he hadn't broken yet , tootled around at the back-end as usual (he looked to be further ahead by delaying a pit-stop), but ultimately equipment failure (gearbox?) force him to retire.
So it could be said that he finished the race in a tie with Hamilton and Bottas!
elect70,
Jul 4, 12:27am
Poor bugga if he didnt have bad luck hed have none at all , & the switch to honda hasnt his r reliability . Get the idea they use him & the car as test mules before they put thee new gear into the main game .
botanyhonda1,
Jul 4, 2:31am
Reckon He'll get the Sack?
gammelvind,
Jul 4, 5:26am
I reckon he will survive the year, but unless his performance improves considerably he will be replaced.
socram,
Jul 4, 5:46am
Helmut Marko (boss of Toro) has come out in support, so he may survive another year, BUT, if Red Bull are going to Honda next season, guess who will get the crap engines?
How come Williams have slipped from near the front to the back of the grid? It was significant on Sunday that at one point, just about all team mates were within cooee of each other which usually suggests that these days, it is far less about the driver ability and far more about the equipment.
McLaren are still struggling - and you can't doubt Alonso's ability.
I tend to agree with elect70. Whereas Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull seem to have everything sorted, at the top of the grid, the same cannot be said for the others. Hartley has always had a good reputation for the quality of his feedback from testing and that alone suggests that they'll need him rather more than an untried newcomer with lots of future driving potential, but zero testing experience.
soundsgood,
Jul 4, 7:08am
RB have confirmed that they have tried to replace him but were not able to get the man they were targeting (from McLaren).
Given the limited pool available it is indeed likely he will see the season out.
If Daniel moves on, and with Gasly then moving up to RB, there would even be an increased likelihood of him being in the seat next season - provided Marko isn't able to do a deal for some other driver. Until such time - he has their 'full' support.
the-lada-dude,
Jul 4, 6:10pm
yes I read that HM was very pleased with BH . how can you hop into a dog of a car and expect to be on pace and confident . I recon the team are very pleased that BH actually circulates and brings the POS back in one piece . in a top car, I am sure he would be on the podium along with others
socram,
Jul 5, 5:32am
I tend to think that in this day and age, with so much telemetry feedback, every driver seems to get the most out of his car.
You have go back to before the eighties where the driver talent really shone.
What I would have given to have seen Nuvolari at Donington in the Auto Union, taming 600bhp on skinny tyres. (Dad did and photographed it!)
Fangio knocking several seconds off the lap record in a 250F Maserati in a memorable chase at the 1957 German GP.
Absolutely anyone trying to tame the V16 BRM. It's still a massive thrill to see (and hear!) that car today, even if it isn't being driven flat out.
serf407,
Jul 8, 10:20am
Suspension collapsed at British GP. I would be walking out on the team after that and putting phone call through to Porsche to see if they have any spare seats.
Thank goodness for the strength of modern cars. That was a catastrophic mechanical failure. Good clip on YouTube.
the-lada-dude,
Jul 8, 10:16pm
socram wrote
Absolutely anyone trying to tame the V16 BRM. It's still a massive thrill to see (and hear!) that car today, even if it isn't being driven flat out.
A semi technical master piece, built from left over BRM 2.5 V8 bits from memory. . a leason on how to NOT build a high performance engine using a centrifugal compressor . claimed to have in the vicinity of 650 HP . but never really got beyond 450 ish
socram,
Jul 8, 11:51pm
I think you are confusing the H16 BRM engine of 1966/67 with the original 1949/54 V16.
The H16 was indeed based on two V8's which had been successful from 1962-1966 and was a 3 litre normally aspirated engine. Its only GP win was ironically in the back of Jim Clark's Lotus.
The V16 BRM was the first ever BRM engine, built from scratch and yes, was supercharged. They say you could hear it from ten miles away on a clear day.
Nick Mason sold his to Bernie Ecclestone and claimed that what he'd spend on it and the distance it had travelled, the cost per yard was more expensive than Wilton carpet. Nevertheless, once heard on song, never ever forgotten.
The V16 was the first ever BRM engine, following on from the Pre War ERA's, but their engines were developed from the Riley engine - and all bar one still survive, most, if not all being supercharged.
Anyway, hopefully Brendon's team have managed to cobble together a car for him. At least the Toro factory is only a stones throw away at Bicester.
Finishing the race any better than 20th place will be a success in my eyes.
socram,
Jul 9, 7:08am
As an aside, Chris Barber's jazz band playing at Silverstone just before the Grand Prix! Got to hand it to him. His tours 50 years ago used to coincide with all the European GPs.
socram,
Jul 9, 7:31pm
Didn't even make the start. Must be gutted.
the-lada-dude,
Jul 9, 7:46pm
probably . BRM never really made a successful engine, they pioneered the way for others at their own expense
I heard he had a big OR NO the day before in practice, ? And the car didn't make one lap after the start race day from back of the grid ?
elect70,
Jul 9, 11:49pm
He must be wishing he took the offer to drive an indy car . Doesnt do his rep any good to fail near every race
socram,
Jul 10, 12:06am
The 1.5 litre (later stretched to 2.1 litre BRM V8) was very successful.
Don't forget that apart from Ferrari, I think they were the only F1 team of that period manufacturing their own cars and engines - until Honda joined the fray, quite late on.
The later BRM V12 that won at Monza 1971 (Peter Gethin) was the fastest GP lap anywhere for a number of years, so not exactly a duff performance.
serf407,
Nov 24, 1:47pm
Mitch Evans appears to have similar equipment reliability problems as Hatley does. Evans - drive shaft failure on start grid for formula E at NYC. 0 laps completed for NYC ePrix race 1.
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