Even though that’s what you’re told when you enquire & even though AA also believe it doesn’t need a cert , it does. Most of the professionals in the field , even those on the VTNZ help desk, don’t know what the rule/law are but I’m apparently expected to know.
mrfxit,
Jun 8, 8:28am
Any of the list different to whats fitted now
Same family of engine Bolts directly in with no modifications to mounts / chassis/gearbox/ steering etc. Less then a 20% power increase from OEM orignal factory spec HP Same fuel used. Both engines either non turbo or both turbo. Exhaust pipe on the same side of the engine
redhead18,
Jun 8, 9:20am
WWYD? Well as an experienced mechanic and qualified AVIC. IMHO it does NOT compromise safety So Reality is one could simply take it to the testing station that HAS passed it-. - .
And LOCK IT WITH THEIR COF ON IT And then speak to the
Testing Station MANAGER
With the documentation of the last COF'S THERE. And the documentation that was in the glovebox . When it SUDENNLY Failed.
And a copy of the classified you have running. After all ONLY the Secretary For Transport can REVOKE. What they have put on it. If they pay your price they . LITERALY OWN THEIR C O F.
[The full Legal EXPERIENCED version of sex and travel]
Alternatively MCA member? Ex Hot Rodder? component certification LTSA .
[just SIMPLY SOMEONE experienced WITH THE LETTERS THAT GO WITH THAT TO SIGN. As Safety NOT Compromised. ]
All The Best
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bumfacingdown,
Jun 8, 10:39am
I agree with you often kaz but in this case I think you were/are a bit harsh. As a lay person, ie not a mechanic nor a testing inspector the OP bought a vehicle that had a current CoF, how were they to know, on the strength of that, that at a later date it would fail. So its really that simple, someone relied on the CoF as making the vehicle legit.
franc123,
Jun 8, 7:06pm
FFS the complete and correct list is on the previous page. Yours is missing the critical bit.
kazbanz,
Jun 8, 7:19pm
The issue I have is that the OP over and over again refuses to accept personal responsibility for their actions. It just MUST be someone else's fault and responsibility. But when making a buying decision the OP and partner had all the information provided to them. Its the refusal to actually accept any responsibility that annoys the beejeebers outa me. In fairness Ive been in an outa hospital for the past three weeks so could be Im just being a cranky bugger.
kazbanz,
Jun 8, 7:26pm
I agree with your post 100% to this point. But it IS an engine change from Factory fitted. So the simple solution has to be an LVV
bumfacingdown,
Jun 8, 8:50pm
We must be looking at this from different angles. With the receipts there was also current CoF, which to a lay person would mean legit, why investigate further, someone more trained than the OP should have picked it up, the outfit that did the transplant, the previous owner, the CoF inspector/s. I think post #33 also covers where the OP is coming from. ps, Be interesting to know if receipts state larger engine or just engine replacement, further mudding the waters for the OP
kazbanz,
Jun 8, 9:13pm
I guess we are. Its the refusal to accept any responsibility that annoys me. But my advice remains the same. It HAS been pinged for wrong motor. easiest fix is a LVV
franc123,
Jun 8, 9:58pm
Well two things could have happened, one, the previous owner was not advised that the replacement engine was a slightly larger version than the original one or two they WERE advised it was and simply didn't bother gaining certification. I know if I was conducting such a transplant they would have been advised both verbally and on the receipts for the work that it was now subject to needing an LVV cert, which is something that is up to the owner to organise at their cost or else authorise the garage to organise it. Any business doing this work should be aware of the rules surrounding this.
gazzat22,
Jun 8, 10:18pm
Surely you have a case against the previous issuers of COF,s.
bumfacingdown,
Jun 8, 10:18pm
Yes, but you can see the frustration and annoyance the OP has after buying what they believed to be a legit vehicle
franc123,
Jun 8, 10:29pm
That can be the price you pay sometimes for not getting a PPI. One wonders if this vehicle has the chassis plate under the front seat, inspector looked at the plate to obtain the chassis number and noticed 13B on the chassis plate and noticed a sticker on the rocker cover stating 14B. A further inspection of the engine code confirmed it. Thats probably all it took.
kazbanz,
Jun 8, 10:40pm
On what basis?. Now say a 6 cylinder engine was fitted. Fair call But in this case it is an engine that is virtually identical in every way to the factory engine for that specific vehicle.The only way to tell is the PAPERWORK or looking down through the inlet manifold to the top of crankcase. Even then theres a hose that "conveniently" covers the 13b/14b part of the number.
bumfacingdown,
Jun 8, 10:48pm
I do wonder how many doing a PPI would even notice, vehicle inspectors didn't for four CoFs
franc123,
Jun 8, 10:52pm
Can't comment without seeing it. Its possible it wasn't that obvious, there must have been some external ID feature that ultimately gave it away.
bumfacingdown,
Jun 8, 11:10pm
Or someone spotted the receipts in the glovebox which mad them go Hmm, best have a look
cjohnw,
Jun 9, 12:05am
Why would an inspector need to go through a vehicles glovebox and inspect paperwork in there? That would seem to me to be out of their purview.
ofaatudesigns,
Jun 9, 12:22am
Not sure why inspectors are ratting through the glovebox and reading all the contents of all documentation there?
franc123,
Jun 9, 12:44am
Its highly doubtful that ever happened. Something was found during the course of the inspection of the vehicle itself that stood out to this particular person that looked suspicious.
traykuku,
Jun 9, 1:00am
After talking to management at the recent VTNZ I am told it is because they have an inspector very familiar with Daihatsu/Toyota. Just bad luck eh.
traykuku,
Jun 9, 1:05am
I’m not refusing to take responsibility. I’m getting it sorted as I stated way up in the thread. I was just discussing the craziness & unfairness of it all & seeking other peoples opinions. You repeatedly post that it’s all my fault , I don’t believe it is. You come across as an angry man with all your “YOU”’s in capital letters. Are you a finger pointer in RL ?
franc123,
Jun 9, 1:09am
Yes. What did I say at #29? Seen it happen before.
cjohnw,
Jun 9, 1:14am
Nor do I. I have some sympathy.
rovercitroen,
Jun 9, 1:50am
Agree. I feel sorry for the OP too. Could easily happen to many people.
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