The Truth and deception about ANCAP Savety ratings
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intrade,
Mar 6, 12:58am
Everyone should watch this including kazeban who knows he can be wrong. i was wrong also about this guy at the beginning fact is opinion is not fact but fact is fact and ancap is total nonsence. Here is the perfect example how and WHY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuXBMgvGp4c
3tomany,
Mar 6, 1:20am
The current ANCAP star system is a joke that can no longer be taken seriously. A vehicle that scored 5 stars 10 years ago would not get 5 stars today, yet on the showroom floor they are the same. Rather than altering the criteria for 5 stars they should have simply added more stars for the improved crash performance of newer cars. The stars should also be different for crash survival verses crash avoidance technology. Bundling them together is simply dumb.
trade4us2,
Mar 6, 1:59am
A 2000 Jaguar XJ8 LWB has a 2-star rating according to the LTSA despite the fact that its passengers would survive a head-on crash much better than any 5-star sedan that you could mention. The XJ8 costs more to register because of its poor (and wrong) rating. I have not seen any crash test results of an XJ8. I don't believe it has ever been tested. The LTSA say they also rate cars by examining crashed cars. I have seen a few crashed XJ8s with remarkably little damage and I am sure the passengers survived.
tamarillo,
Mar 6, 2:34am
Don’t agree, as long as it states when the rating was given we should then be giving clearer info to consumers about how ratings have changed over years and that each year the requirements lift. Can’t see how many other system could work especially when we must rely on overseas test ratings. It’s lack of information that the problem, the system can’t be changed, people understand that the testing gets more rigorous.
tamarillo,
Mar 6, 2:40am
head on collision is just one of many criteria so not sure of your argument really.
wee5,
Mar 6, 2:47am
My 2012 Daihatsu Sirion SX1.5 has a VSRR rating of 2 stars; but it was given a four-star Euro NCAP crash test rating originally.It has 8 airbags plus ABS etc. May not have been tested for Ancap. However there were many of the 1.3 model sold in NZ which just came with driver and pass. Airbags. Looks like it’s best to check for overseas ratings if there aren’t sufficient local stats to give an accurate rating.
3tomany,
Mar 6, 2:50am
Problem is no one knows the difference. The same van has a 3 star rating at a renault dealer but 0 stars at the mitsi dealer For the exact same van. As a system it has a 75% margin for era. Simply making the system stars out of 10 is far more informative than altering the criteria within 5 stars.
3tomany,
Mar 6, 2:52am
That is also wrong on so many levels. A car that has had extensive testing should not have that rating removed for no good reason. The system is a dog. I bet 9 out of 10 people do not have a clue as to how it works.
wee5,
Mar 6, 3:22am
Yes my perception is that the average buyer may look at the number of stars only shown on a listing, and discount a vehicle from consideration without drilling down further, specially if it’s a VSRR shown. For those of us who buy second hand vehicles, we know that they may not have the latest crash avoidance tech, but it’s important to know how they might perform in an actual crash.I’d rather know what the original tested rating was than VSRR, which appears to be a guesstimate basked on other Similar vehicles.
vtecintegra,
Mar 6, 6:24am
Give that feedback to NZTA - they were in Queensgate Mall last weekend so I told the rep what I thought of the system.
Also I dunno why that poster thinks an old Jag would be a safe car in any sort of collision - it predates proper understanding of crash engineering and while it is a heavy beastie it isn't that much heavier than a modern mid size sedan
s_nz,
Mar 6, 9:03am
Harsh test, X308 crashes into the back of a stationary bus at 110km/h, but the jag does shockingly bad:
That generation of car was produced from 1986 to 2003, so its design would have predated modern crash engineering (and hence why it hasn't been ANCAP tested).
Re The ability to survive a head on crash, pretty much any modern sedan would likely produce more survivable results, With the better ones (Tesla model S, Volvo S80 etc) far outperforming.
All the above said, I am still not a great fan of the VSSR rating system for used cars.
[edit] - The two big issues with ANCAP is that they effectively force automakers to comply with their expectations of they hammer cars with very poor ratings. (can be seen by cars that are released without active safety tech initaly with a poor rating, only to end up 5 star when rated a few years later).
The other big issue was covered in the video. Vehicles only get rated at the start of each generation. With the ANCAP requirements getting increasingly hard, it might be tempting for auto makers to keep old products alive for longer than prudent so they can hype 5 star safety without needing to carry the costs of complying with the new harsher standards.
An obvious example Would be the Mitsubishi Mirage. Ancap 5 star rated in 2013. Mitsubishi NZ stopped selling the Mirage it for a while, then started again with the 6th gen, second facelift Mirage. If I recall correctly they called it "all new" for a while despite adverting the 5 star ANCAP rating without mentioning it was from back in 2013.
kazbanz,
Mar 6, 11:37am
At least ANCAP is a rating system. Better than the “ l don’t know “ system they use here. NOT saying it’s a good system .
pauldw,
Mar 6, 9:12pm
To me that looked like the bus didn't have anything to stop the car submarining under the back of the bus. The car looks to have finally hit the back axle/wheels of the bus.
intrade,
Mar 6, 9:21pm
did you watch the video ? he explaions 100% accurat what the problem is in the first half of the video and then its commedy and mingmoles. in secound half.
kazbanz,
Mar 6, 9:40pm
yea--and again im not saying its good. just better than the "system" we use
gazzat22,
Mar 6, 10:03pm
My grandaughter has a 2007 Demio DE which has 2 airbags and ABS.Her mother has a 2008 Toyota Blade with 8 airbags.ABS /ESC etc etc but they are both 2 star safety ratings.?
intrade,
Mar 6, 10:12pm
they are both the same save if you dont crash
gazzat22,
Mar 6, 10:24pm
So is a Pushbilke !
toenail,
Mar 8, 3:49am
IIHS is where its at, they are the pioneers in crash testing and was solely responsible for introducing the small overlap test which made every manufacture modify their designs from 2014 onwards to do well in it.
3tomany,
Mar 8, 3:56am
Yip the yanks are testing way better than ANCAP.
3tomany,
Mar 8, 3:58am
Our system just appears to be some knob paid to much deciding the crash rating based on floored information. ALL cars should keep their place of origin test rating.
esprit,
Mar 8, 4:14am
Yeah, put pretty much any 5 star car in the same situation it would have fared similarly. The Jaguar XJ40/X300/308 are built like tanks and have a really effective crumple zone structure. They were built in anticipation of very strict US regulations that never came to pass in 1991. A mate rolled one off the desert road 50m down a ravine and everyone walked away. It stood up really well.
Yet a Demio/3 wouldn't look too different, being one of the most popular cars in NZ. Regardless of its star rating.
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