As the kiwi residential sections gets smaller & even more expensive than high yielding gold claims, what can be done to alleviate the decline of the NZ person's garden shed / detached garage. They were somewhere to start the kids tinkering with go karts, trolleys and usually progressed to cars etc
The person's shed (if large enough) was a place to escape to for some solitude in troubled times or when feathers were ruffled.
The Americans in some parts are big on their tornado shelter basements. Will this become necessary in NZ if there are height restrictions and the design covenants are for everyone to a have a cookie cutter type home.
Obviously there are H & S considerations - some activities are best done in industrial premises etc.
tygertung,
Mar 27, 7:26pm
What if there was an internal access garage which was converted into a workshop? Could be warmer for in the winter.
lythande1,
Mar 27, 7:33pm
And now kiwis do very little DIY anything. Most can't. Never mind cars. Besides it's all EVs and public transport now, isn't it. While we live in our rat cages, piled one on top of each other.
apollo11,
Mar 27, 7:57pm
I gather you live in a city? Folk in smaller towns and the country have tons of space for sheds, and information is on the net on how to fix or do just about anything, if you put the effort in and are willing to give it a go. It does help if you are a cheap bastard like me, I'm always fixing things because I don't like to see something useful thrown away.
gabbysnana,
Mar 27, 8:20pm
we now have councils telling us we can't use our garages for any other things than parking a car, its always fun coming up against council imbeciles.
poppy62,
Mar 27, 8:50pm
SR2 mate! The days of of tinkering in a garage/shed are just about and will be gone when we the pension generation kick the bucket. The later lot can't be bothered fixing or building things (1) because they're mortgaged for life and can't afford the tools and (2) they don't have the required interest in outdated stuff. If it's not on a screen and operated by buttons then there's no need for it. The sad part is that the women of our generation are also experiencing similar issues. None of the younger lot are interested in learning how to sew/knit/cook/preserve/pickle etc., and most of all they don't want to take over the collections of their mothers/grandmothers. It's all considered as clutter and dust collectors. The 2nd hand places are full of those Franklin Mint collectibles selling them for $5-$15, they were $75 to buy 30years ago. So the need for garages and sheds are not a deal breaker anymore. Plus the fact that the current lot wouldn't know the difference between a bayonet fitting and an Edison screw light bulb, because H&S require a qualified Sparky to change it for them.
socram,
Mar 27, 8:58pm
Not sure which councils you are referring to in NZ, but that attitude is rife in some states of the USA.
When we were house hunting, 35 years ago, we looked at many houses, but most had no more than a tight 2 car garage, not even long enough to house the car and a modest work bench. Anything longer or wider than a basic saloon wouldn't fit.
As soon as I walked into this place, I realised the potential and had the garage extended under the house. At a squeeze, I could get all 6 cars in it, or I had plenty of space to work and extra parking outside gave space for the car trailer.
Storage space space for tools, sheets of gib, particle board and ply, not to mention car spares and 50 years worth of car magazines, sundry car body panels, water blaster, welding gear, blast cabinet, compressor and so on.
But #3 has it. The current generation aren't interested in pottering and no longer do we have to do an oil change at 3000 miles, and an oil and filter change at 6, with a dozen grease points, contact points to be set, tappets to be adjusted and a decoke every so often. Cars go 20,000kms between services - and they are best left to mechanics/technicians who have all the electronic diagnostic gubbins.
Youngsters would rather be on a computer or phone than doing anything practical, or looking over Dad's shoulder whilst he did the basics and looking over Mum's shoulder whilst she baked - which few seem to do these days.
ronaldo8,
Mar 27, 9:02pm
Haha snap.
tygertung,
Mar 27, 9:07pm
That is completely inaccurate. Younger generations are doing heaps of engineering and DIY. I think you are just going for a wind up to get a reaction.
Check out youtube, heaps of young people are making stuff and recording it too.
poppy62,
Mar 27, 9:31pm
The part you're not getting is that most of the new generation machinery (engineering) is CNC stuff. My 3rd son has his own Engineering business and, me, as an old qualified engineer would have to retrain in order to operate most of the stuff. There is a vast difference in machining operations now as opposed to yesteryear. It's like comparing a slide rule to a computer, nobody is interested in Slide rules.
amasser,
Mar 27, 9:44pm
"can't be bothered fixing" - Use a r.c.u. or a phone app(lication) to turn on lights, tv, heat pump, close curtains. Order 'fast' food to be delivered by Uber. When micturition can be achieved remotely, why get out of bed?
mrfxit,
Mar 27, 9:53pm
From what I have seen in recent years,most of that is done with brand new steel/timber & the ppl studying for tech degrees are only using brand new hardware, even those going for component repair degrees don't touch old gear for learning how to repair them
tygertung,
Mar 27, 10:10pm
There are many young people building stuff at home, and they get old workshop equipment so no CNC.
Young people will tend to try and scavenge second hand materials as they have no money, not like older folk.
bill1451,
Mar 27, 10:21pm
with you all the way there bud, people have lost/are loosing the art of fixing stuff, just go to the wharehouse and buy your kid another bike that might last a year. Appliances are made not to be repaired, someone needs to take control, Apparently there is a movement in the shed fraternity that actually teaches younger people how to actually fix stuff.
bill1451,
Mar 27, 10:25pm
Ha so are you on the "superann" older folk with money, yea, maybe, trying to keep my savings for when I get really old and cant do much.there are not so older people with strokes and heart attacks who can do very little, so have to pay trades people to do stuff.
tygertung,
Mar 27, 10:40pm
Maybe everyone is scavenging second hand materials, there would be only a few richer types who are buying new.
I can't see the value in bagging the younger generation, saying they are useless, when it was the older generation who taught them how to go about things.
budgel,
Mar 27, 11:03pm
Back in Socrates day they were bitching about the younger generation! It's a generational thing.
Back to the original subject, I'm in my seventies & live alone in a four bedroom house with a separate double garage that is so full of tools and stuff no car can fit in it. I wouldnt mind having a smaller place, but most smaller places have tiny garages or just a carport. Maybe I'll move when I get into my eighties. ( If I last that long!)
tygertung,
Mar 28, 1:29am
The younger generation was taught how to behave and go about things and was shaped by the older generation, so if the younger generation sucks, it is the older generation's fault.
toyboy3,
Mar 28, 2:23am
Convert one of the spare bedrooms into your man shed then you may get a car in. It’s a pity they only make sheds one size !
ronaldo8,
Mar 28, 3:03am
Right right because with cnc the computer just works it all out for you right? Right? No need to understand feeds and speeds, chipload or material and tool properties, no need to know what a good cut looks or sounds like naaaa of course not. Tell me , how do you react to people spouting ignorant bs about topics you are actually familiar with ?
ian86,
Mar 28, 3:20am
Times have changed alright - but still a few young fellas into the shed stuff which is great to see. Looked at buying another house a couple of years ago and getting big garaging is not that easy - especially with the newer homes, triple garaging but really only a 6 x 9 with 5 bedrooms, my preference is a 3 bedroom and 5 car plus garaging - not that easy to find in town.
ronaldo8,
Mar 28, 3:33am
If you are under the delusion that good part production with cnc is somehow lesser than manual maching perhaps youd like to go right back to the source and just rub two rocks together. Like a real engineer, none of this modern iron nonsense.
I use both and manual machining is a hell of a lot faster and easier for simple stuff and one offs. Creating a good part from scratch via cnc is no trivial feat. It requires just as much skill if not more, some the same, some different.
gph1961,
Mar 28, 3:42am
gunna run a course in . Pottering. if funding can be bludged. Whos in?
2sheddies,
Mar 28, 5:09am
Pottering? This is motoring, not gardening!
apollo11,
Mar 28, 5:21am
You do potting in a garden lol. I think pottering is making pottery. . Still not motoring of course.
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