Not impressed with the way a Prius or RAV4 are treated ie because you can’t plug them in they’re not categorized as electric’?
casualobserver,
Jun 15, 11:25pm
What are you talking about? The scheme has nothing to do with whether a car can be plugged in or not - it's all about the carbon emissions. Both the Prius and RAV4 are eligible for rebates.
cjohnw,
Jun 15, 11:27pm
Yes, seems strange to me as well. As the Phev likewise still has a petrol engine. However, from what I have seen they would still be eligible for a reasonable rebate under the low emission vehicle category, but not until 1 January next year.
vtecintegra,
Jun 15, 11:47pm
From next year. For this year there are only rebates on BEVs and PHEVs so only the Prius Prime in the current Toyota range.
poppy62,
Jun 16, 5:48am
Have you gone the EV route?
cjohnw,
Jun 16, 5:57am
Was considering a Tesla Model 3 but the guarantee of supply is unknown and could even be next year. Plus the wife thought it might be too low for her wonky hip and my broken knees. Lol. Might just wait a little longer but will probably do so in the next 12 months.
"An electric vehicle (EV) has an electric motor that is powered by a battery which is charged by connecting to an external source of electricity.
There are two main types of electric vehicle:
-Battery electric vehicles (BEVs) – these are a purely electric vehicles, powered only by the battery which is charged by connecting to an external source of electricity.
- Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) – these have two engines – one powered by a battery which is charged by connecting to an external source of electricity, the other engine is fuelled from a fuel tank and generally uses petrol or diesel.
Conventional forms of petrol hybrids aren’t considered electric vehicles as they aren’t charged by ‘plugging in’. Their batteries are only charged by re-capturing energy when braking or from electricity generated by the engine."
The Clean Car Discount sets rebate for New & Used BEV's and PHEV's.
All other cars get either a rebate or fee depending on their efficient (no discrimination on the technology used). Effichent (non plug in) hybrids will do quite well out of this. $3210 rebate on a Corolla hybrid, $2340 off the rav4 hybrid.
s_nz,
Jun 16, 6:39am
Could get in inventory one:
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/inventory/new/m3 They are advertising 3 - 13 weeks delivery on new orders, So I delivery by the end of the year seems likely. No getting around it being a low car with a stretched out seating position (The floors in tesla's seem oddly high, kinda like a 90's ute. This is due to the batteries under the floor.)
You can get suspension spacers to lift a model 3 by about 40mm if that would make a difference:
Other option to consider is an ioniq 5. Medium cross over SUV with a big focus on interior space & Comfort. Base version is $79,990 before the $8625 rebate. There is only one demo car in the country so far, so unless you are willing to swing by and event with it on display (field-days?) you will need to wait a while to see it in the flesh.
cjohnw,
Jun 16, 6:51am
Tesla rep told me they were getting unprecedented enquires and they have given me the name of a local owner to view (sit in) to try the heights etc. Hyundai could not give me a price for the Ioniq5 yet only saying nothing has been confirmed yet. I prefer a full electric and the local Hyundai dealer (also the Subaru dealer) is keen to get our trade in on a Kona EV and the changeover deal is palatable. The wife thinks we should also consider a Phev and she likes the look of the Kia Niro Phev, but the local Kia dealer does not have one and is “researching” availability. Will take a little while now and see what happens in the next few months. But we think one way or the other we will make the transition to electric.
Check out the Mercedes range EQA. EQB and EQC. all have higher seating and a 430-480km range. They apparently all run the Tesla battery etc., I'm just waiting to buy a new homw and then I'll be placing an order for probably an EQA if the wife likes it or else maybe a Renault (full) electric.
s_nz,
Jun 16, 8:08am
Ioniq 5 pricing was announced in the last couple of days. it is as per the above post. (subtract the $8250 discount from the base trim).
Have family members with a Kona EV. They love it. It's a subcompact SUV, so the interiors space & configuration reflects that (fitting easily in a tight workplace parking space was a key buying criteria for them). The drive-train is excellent. They live in another city, and often turn up at our place after a 230km non stop drive with 52 - 54% of the battery remaining. (a trip that would take two charging stops in my leaf. No slouch either with 150kW.
Personally I'm not to much of a fan of the suspension setup in it, but I think they tweaked that for the series II.
Obviously the Ioniq 5 is the latest and greatest, but if you want a smaller car (or one that is available now), the Kona is quite good, and will net quite a bit more range than the base Ioniq 5
cjohnw,
Jun 16, 7:33pm
Rethinking the options at the moment. Not rethinking the whole thing, just the best category of Ev to buy. After rebate announcement I was interested in buying a Tesla Model 3. My wife and I are now in our mid- late 60’s, and after trying to get in and out of one we realise it is definitely going to be an ongoing issue in the coming years. So sadly Tesla is out of the reckoning. Of course there are other options (we drove the Kona EV). However our son has suggested we may be better suited with a PHEV considering the mileage we do. Locally most of our driving is probably a maximum within 10kms of home with a trip Blenheim to Christchurch 3 times a year, so a PHEV with an electric range of 50-60kms may be a better choice? We are currently doing around 6-7,000km per year. We don’t tow anything, no bikes, prams or stuff to lugg around, no animals. Just a retired old couple. Before anyone says “ just keep your current car”, we have a late model sedan, which is a great car but a little low to the ground and my wife has a hip problem so is finding it quite painful and difficult to get in and out of. So we will need to do something within the next 6-12 months. Budget is obviously only up to that $80k cut off figure for the rebate, but a phev would save a little on that? Thoughts?
poppy62,
Jun 16, 7:46pm
Your best choice then would be an electric Smart Fortwo. Easy to get in and out of great room for 2 and has a range of up to 90-120kms.
vtecintegra,
Jun 16, 7:49pm
You really aren't doing enough mileage for a PHEV or full EV to make financial sense so comfort will be key.
cjohnw,
Jun 16, 8:06pm
We can see a situation whereby we can run a Phev vehicle solely on the battery every day, ever week, every month and use zero petrol at all, apart perhaps for an occasional trip to Picton and those Christchurch trips. I know this will sound crass, but we are not really worried about the financial side of it now. Our money is sitting in the bank making half a percent plus the current vehicle is still a valuable trade-in option so the change over figure is actually quite modest especially on a $60k vehicle. Hope that doesn’t sound bad? Poppy we think the smart car may be a bit too small - we still have a grandkid or two in the back seat occassionally.
vtecintegra,
Jun 16, 8:50pm
Sure but you don't want to sacrifice comfort to get something that fits the criteria for the rebate.
In plugins I think the Kia Sorento and Kia Niro are the only reasonable options that might work and also fall under the $80k cap
cjohnw,
Jun 16, 9:03pm
From what we can see the problem is supply and stock on the ground. We think we might hang fire for a few months and see what else might become available or just buy a low emission vehicle which still gets a small rebate anyway. As you say, comfort is the main criteria. Kia seem to have a supply issue with a couple of models, so might just place a forward order with a refundable deposit.
harm_less,
Jun 16, 9:13pm
Tesla's Model Y SUV is scheduled for NZ release early next year. Hopefully priced similar to the Model 3 and being an SUV the seating/entry height may be more suitable.
poppy62,
Jun 16, 9:38pm
Renault has the Zoe, the Kangoo and the Twizzy as Full EVs. The New Zoe (52kwh battery) has a range of 380kms. There is also the VW Golf EV and the MG.
cjohnw,
Jun 16, 10:02pm
We were just looking for something a little higher off the road. Apart from the MG I am not sure any of those are?
onl_148,
Jun 16, 10:07pm
Given the cap is $80,000. I can see a lot of $79,995 new cars on the market. buy the really basic model, get the rebate, then go back to the dealer and purchase all the options you originally intended to buy ! It looks like a nice "make work scheme" for salemans / accountants and the like to "structure" your car purchase so that it "looks like" the purchase price is less than $80,000
buyit59,
Jun 17, 4:48am
cwjohn @ #17 . Dont buy a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV if you dont want to use petrol cos if they don't use petrol for a period of time they will ONLY RUN ON IT cos they don't want the petrol going stale. we had one at work and couldnt figure out why it had battery charged but we couldnt get it to run on EV. once we figured it out we poured about 15 litres of petrol in and it ran on the battery ! Unsure if this is something in other PHEVs but it is in the Mitsubishi
bigfatmat1,
Jun 17, 5:23am
if the fuel level is low it will not run on batt. There will be a orange triangle displayed and a message in Japanese under the message section. You can actually convert dash to English in the menu.
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