The BMW i3 has a very well managed battery pack. No reason to expect pre 2013 Nissan leaf like degradation here.
Only issues I had with my i3 were related to the range extender. If I got another I would go pure electric.
gazzat22,
Feb 16, 5:00am
another year and all the plastic parts will start to disintegrate/collapse according to my neighbour who owns one.
tygertung,
Feb 16, 7:12am
Maybe the Vitz would be fine, but aparently the Honda Civics sip the fuel, or maybe get a Suzuki Swift or a Ford Fiesta?
tygertung,
Feb 16, 7:01pm
Or a Mitsubishi Mirage?
kerikeri13,
Feb 16, 8:42pm
Yep, Centurion Mk8, Saladin and Saracen. Ferret Mk1&2.
s_nz,
Feb 17, 2:01am
17km/L works out to 5.88L/100km.
A prius should come in around 4 L/100km.
Fuel costs will work out about 3/4 of what I listed above due to the lower mileage.
framtech,
Feb 17, 7:55am
Fuel is the cheapest thing you put in a car, all this banter about how great EV's are, but the cal's need to be done over the life of the car, not on a years running, the only thing (only thing) the EV has going for it is cheating cheap taxes that fuel attracts for most car uses What needs to be factored in, is cost of vehicle, the trillions of tons of earth shifted by diesel power to mine Lithium, the abosute shitty look of the car, The cost of replacement batteries and the disposal of used batteries on the environment, its towing power oh and how shiity they look.
apollo11,
Feb 17, 8:21am
I'd think the shitty sound would be an issue for you more than the look. the look is the way most cars are going, ev or not. The batteries being made now should last the twenty year life of the car, and will be a highly sought after resource when the car is scrapped.
I agree that the fuels to extract resources are a real biggie, plus the fuel used to refine and transport the resources too. There are attempts to introduce electric mining gear, where they are a real advantage in underground mines especially, but so far that's only just getting started.
No point worrying about change, no one is coming to prise the keys to your V8 from your hand.
s_nz,
Feb 17, 8:41am
For most of us, fuel is the most expensive part of running a petrol vehicle. Obviously this differs for people buying new cars and trading them every three years where is is dwafed by depreciation, and people running end of life cars where it can be dwarfed by repairs.
Over the life of a car, at 10L/100km, and $2L petrol a car will burn $60,000 of fuel over a 300,000km lifetime. More than the cost of a base Toyota highlander SUV, and many cars will run well past that mileage these days.
Re EV's, an independent life cycle assessment has been done by the EECA if you want to see how details stack up in a NZ context.
Don't forget that oil takes substantial energy to pump up from underground, freight across the world, refine into petrol, Freight again to a petrol station, and pump into a car.
Looks are subjective, but it should be noted that there are EV's available that look the same as the petrol versions of their car (other than closed in grills, different wheels and minor styling). For example the Mini Electric, Kona electric, egolf, Lexus UX300e.
For somebody like OP, looking to buy a car for $10 - $15k, doing 15,000km a year, it is a good bet that money spent on fuel is going to exceed each of depreciation, repairs & insurance.
extrayda,
Feb 17, 10:08am
Well, I recently bought a Camry Hybrid (2011, so not new). It looks just like a Camry, but more power than the ICE 2.5. When running the engine it probably sounds like a Camry. It's comfortable. Is it a dream car, nope. If it is reliable, then I will be more than happy with it.
To me, no 4 cylinder is going to sound good, if you want sound, then V8 is it (for me). The Camry isn't to replace a V8, it's a practical daily driver. Also not lithium in the Camry Hybrids apparently - found that out today. Aftermarket replacement batteries between $1,800 to $3500.
blueviking,
Feb 17, 6:46pm
And then RUC's will be introduced to EV's with the fall in petrol consumption. Probably better getting in early with the horse & cart.
kazbanz,
Feb 17, 9:31pm
Im not seeing the connection you are trying to make. The tax is on full electric or at a massive stretch PHEV vehicles. -So its relation to this discussion I can't see.
tygertung,
Feb 17, 9:58pm
Apparently the Mazda 2 is cheap on fuel if you would like another Mazda.
rovercitroen,
Feb 18, 1:15pm
Citroen DS21 - I'm jealous as hell!
gph1961,
Feb 18, 6:14pm
one is a sin one should be
kerikeri13,
Feb 18, 10:14pm
My favourite car of all I have had. I did have a GS for a short while but was not impressed. Would have loved an SM.
themichael8,
Feb 19, 4:27am
Have you look at the Gen 3 PHV (Plug In) version of the Prius. I have one, live in town and get great around town economy. Try for a well spec'd one (G spec) with an electrically Heated Steering wheel (the heater only turn on when the ICE motor is running)
gph1961,
Feb 19, 6:17am
enough
kerikeri13,
Feb 19, 9:56pm
Any info on Kia hybrids. Would appreciate a heads up on any problems.
aredwood,
Feb 20, 11:29am
They would be forced to introduce RUC on petrol cars at the same time. Otherwise a Toyota Aqua would pay less tax than an EV. And how would you figure out the correct amount of RUC that plug in hybrids should pay? The RUC exemption for EVs would likely keep on being extended. As the greenies wont like the idea of old American V8s getting lower running costs due to no more petrol tax.
themichael8,
Sep 12, 4:02am
This PHV Prius is in your neighbourhood - check listing 2977137699
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