Quite amusing a main dealer being on the receiving end of being conned.
yz490,
Oct 28, 2:29am
Was another interesting one on stuff too about excessive piston slap on a Holden--refund. Can't find it now. Ahh, link was in the above story. Probably nowhere near as bad as dads 1940 Chev truck when [i] blew the top a piston. Garage replacement sounded 20 thou under the proper size & hell it rattled loud--but kept going. Ok, not in the same league i know.
differentthings,
Oct 28, 2:31am
Yep it got delivered in late December 2018 but it wasn't until March 2019, when the car yard realized that Reid had never paid for the vehicle, Not bad for a unemployed person.
No he didn't, otherwise the police would of been involved
sw20,
Oct 28, 3:11am
He most certainly didn't steal anything. They willingly sent the car to Wellington sans payment.
franc123,
Oct 28, 6:18am
How embarrassing. There is confidence tricksters like him all through society, it's amazing how many seemingly intelligent successful women fall for these types too. I'm not involved in professional vehicle sales but wouldnt you be suspicious if ANYONE stated they were in "desperate need to upgrade to a manual convertible up to $90k?" If you have that sort of budget to spend on personal transport you aren't in desperate need of anything.
sr2,
Oct 28, 6:55am
In most western countries intentional fraudulent behavior is legally treated as theft?
sw20,
Oct 28, 7:01am
What was fraud? The story he spun them? That is a red herring. He promised to pay, they accepted the deal. 100% civil matter.
apollo11,
Oct 28, 7:21am
Based on his history you could make the case that he never intended to pay, and that would be fraud. Bloody embarrassing for the dealership though.
joanie04,
Oct 28, 7:53am
No matter what business you would have thought after a month they would have realised that no payment had been received. That is just bloody poor record keeping. I wonder how many other sales are not "recorded" properly.
ronaldo8,
Oct 28, 11:09am
Three months, mind boggling.
strobo,
Oct 28, 2:41pm
I know what you are saying . but the dealership deemed it as "sold" when it left the premises!.
amasser,
Oct 28, 7:30pm
Mrs. Gump's comment applies.
Did they rely on 'messages' only?
alowishes,
Oct 28, 7:36pm
It was fraud.
alowishes,
Oct 28, 7:38pm
He promised to pay knowing he had no means (and never did have) to do so. It was fraud plain and simply.
gusthe1,
Oct 28, 7:41pm
I don't know about "most western countries" but in NZ that certainly isn't the case. Our Crimes Act excludes by definition taking when the owner of the goods give their consent whether or not that consent is obtained by deception.
kazbanz,
Oct 28, 8:16pm
From my POV it was theft by deception. ie still theft. im not talking the legal definition. he set out from first communication to steal that car.
bumfacingdown,
Oct 28, 8:55pm
And from my POV it amazes me that a car yard let a $60,000 vehicle off the lot without so much as a deposit
gazzat22,
Oct 28, 9:18pm
He certainly conned them.If he had described himself as a Storeman,Freezing worker or similar they may have looked harder but a Senior Army Officer/Doctor. a certain amount of snobbery to go with the stupidity maybe? I wonder what their insurance company,s view will be.
sw20,
Oct 28, 9:48pm
Now all you have to do is prove it in front of 12 of his peers.
alowishes,
Oct 28, 11:15pm
Pretty easy when his bank records get produced/his inability to prove he ever had the funds, mens rea shouldn’t be too hard to prove.
alowishes,
Oct 28, 11:17pm
He had permission to possess the car, not theft as such.
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