nop they did try and fake that they will unfortunately they would need electric Jesus next time they want to bull$hit consumers he is master of the universe in that practice
apollo11,
Jan 11, 12:19am
I think you need to stop denying your secret love for Elon Musk. It's obvious that you have the hots for him.
harm_less,
Jan 11, 12:22am
I guess they were working to a price point and the popularity of the LEAF would seem to indicate that strategy worked. Not dissimilar to VW not liquid cooling their original offering.
Lets stop the bullshit and factor in the cost of the EV, its short replaceable battery price and the lost across its life if it travels the average 300,000 klm a petrol car travels, not to mention - the price of electricity is going to go up as power infrastructure needs replacing/expansion as the population grows and the greenies stop expanding hydro and fossil fuel generation currently 150 tons of coal a day imported to help the grid with more and more electrical demand. EV is for the few - not the masses. you can't get something for nothing - someone pays and the general public is going to spit the dummy with increased demand hogging energy on the cheap.
tygertung,
Jan 11, 3:23am
Bung solar panels on housetop roofs. No need for solar farm if it is decentralised. Solar is real popular in germany and the weather is real shithouse there.
s_nz,
Jan 11, 3:30am
25c/kwh + 25c/min is standard pricing on the charge.net network. (but does vary in some locations).
Not sure of the pricing at Tesla superchargers. are 47c/kWh (might be plus GST), And there is an idle fee each minute you leave the car plugged after it is finished charging.
As you say, home charging is much cheaper. Most EV owners will be on standard use power plans, so will have much cheaper power than your 30c/kWh. The marginal cost of my power is 16.49c/kWh (alternatively I could have gone on 11.97c/kWh night / 21.24c/kWh day).
Public fast chargers aren't intended to compete with home charging. Unless they are being run as a loss leader (attract people to a shopping center, promote a brand etc.) they will never be able to compete on price with home charging. A 50kW fast charger costs $40k+ so some of the fee needs to cover paying off that capital cost. Also charging at home as you sleep is the ultimate in convenience. The fast charge network is only really there for people making long trips, those that can't charge at home etc. Most EV's get charged 90% plus at home, so the high cost of the public network doesn't really turn off owners.
BTW, avoid mixing up kW and kWh. kW is for power at an instant. - The kona electrics peak motor output is 150kW. kWh is for capacity. - The kona electric has 64kWh of usable battery capacity.
s_nz,
Jan 11, 3:41am
No Leaf's get active cooling (not even the 62kWh leaf e+). But they do put active cooling in the e-nv200 electric van, and their Next electric car (the Ariya SUV) will have it.
In short they designed the early leaf's were to be built cheaper than it's competitors by omitting active cooling. This allowed them to be the #1 EV automaker in the world for quite some time. But at the expense of getting a reputation for building essentially disposable cars (10 - 15 year life).
Should note that the leaf's being produced now have batteries that degrade at about 3 percentage points a year. Given they start with a 380km range, in 20 years time they still should have 150km odd of range, quite enough for a city commuter car. Plenty of other brands are building cars unlikely to last 20 years.
harm_less,
Jan 11, 4:46am
There's nothing new about car owners ignoring the total ownership costs of their vehicle. Look no further than those that consider 'petrol money' being acceptable recompence for transport or delivery in a domestic situation.
Also the life of EV batteries can't be solely related back to those in passively cooled Nissan Leafs and as battery technology follows Tesla's lead in their recently announced 'million mile battery' the economic life of the vehicle will no longer be based on that of the battery it contains. The cost of Li-Ion batteries is now approaching (or has passed) the USD100/kWh cost point at which the price of an EV will go below parity with that of an ICE. Add that pricing to the fact that EVs have a small fraction of the maintenance costs of an ICE vehicle and the decision to buy an EV over an ICE becomes a no brainer, including via the secondhand market to "the masses" as you put it.
The electricity cost issue is complex and of great concern to the electricity generating companies. As the price of electricity rises the economics of investing in PV becomes ever more attractive and viable and consumers then start going off grid as a result. The possibility of essentially running your car, and your home for that matter, on sunshine is coming ever closer as Li-Ion technology not only makes for cheaper EVs but also home storage units such as the Tesla Powerwall.
Presently NZ has plenty of 'excess' generation, it's just occurring at times when consumption is low. Pricing plans that coax consumption during off peak periods (over night) are already being taken advantage of by clever EV owners and this pricing is likely to become more common and/or differentiated as EV numbers rise and electricity demand to charge them grows. The use of commercial scale storage facilities including V2G buffering using EVs is yet another way to spread the demand curve.
intrade,
Jan 11, 4:57am
electric jesus million mile battery is about if not worse when trump said he won the election. anything EJ says you can think is F-- knows because he smoked weed again. ?
harm_less,
Jan 11, 5:04am
Time will tell regarding the million mile battery tech. So far details on the technology and what effect it will have on Tesla vehicle prices are being limited presumedly to minimise the Osborne effect on present sales levels.
What is the level required for calling out BS? His hyper loop is a total scam. It's a car in a tunnel fgs.
apollo11,
Sep 30, 1:57am
So don't invest in it. Space-x looked equally unrealistic when it started out. Some ideas succeed, some fail. The brain chip thing gives me the heebs, but one day it might be a big deal. He's the richest guy on the planet, and he's only just started earning money.
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