Maybe, but is $14k for a 2006 Ford Focus a fair price?
kazbanz,
Jan 3, 2:52am
Hmm--that particular dealership has a bit of a habit of doing that. I do wonder if the car concerned was a hooted up version.
sw20,
Jan 3, 3:26am
It's a 2.5 litre turbocharged ST. Manual trans.
itsafamilything,
Jan 3, 4:13am
Depends on who does the PPI. "within a couple of weeks, he noticed a plethora of issues, including the bald tyres". Put everything else to one side for a moment. In a sensible country, the buyer should (never) have comeback on things like bald tyres. It should be up to the individual making a contract with the dealer. YOU check it over and if YOU lack confidence then you get an independent company to act for you and your contract with THAT company should be that where THEY miss things like bald tyres THEY sort it. OR the option that you buy insurance through the dealer so that they sort it otherwise the dealer is not liable. It is high time the NZ public wakes up and takes more responsibility for their buying decisions I think.
franc123,
Jan 3, 4:56am
Well if you are silly enough to agree to purchase without a PPI, AND clearly in this case accept delivery of a vehicle without a <28 day old WoF then what else do you expect might happen. It would have been interesting to have seen the CIN sheet for that car re previous registration status. Vehicle traders are fully aware of their obligations and so should be purchasers, traders do not have any defence if vehicles "not of merchantable quality" are dispatched to buyers. The whole point of PPI is to get a neutral party who is preferably well conversed with the model to go right over it and assess how it's been treated in the past, spot things that don't seem normal and report them for further investigation. Most if not all of those issues would have showed with the possible exception of the stereo IF it was sitting flush with the dash and wasnt obviously rattling or moving about during a road test.
cattleshed,
Jan 3, 5:21am
Why is the dealer out of pocket? Apparently the owner was told it had been written off but he went ahead and bought it anyway? Why? If that is true then, oh this is all too much! Also it passed compliance and WOF inspections. Why are these places not pinged? Some odd stuff going on here!
bumfacingdown,
Jan 3, 6:24am
"Apparently the owner was told it had been written off" But also appears to not be on the CIN sheet so no proof the seller declared it. " Also it passed compliance and WOF inspections." Was that before or after it was returned?
nice_lady,
Jan 3, 6:45am
And it took the new owner two weeks to notice the bald tyres ? Really ? That's very hard to comprehend. He paid $14000 and didn't even notice the condition of the tyres ?
franc123,
Jan 3, 6:58am
Neither the buyer or the trader selling it are vigilant or responsible types is the overwhelming impression gained here. The DT must get bored with having to constantly butt the heads together of these people to get the plausible truth out of them before shoving them in opposite directions.
franc123,
Jan 3, 7:05am
In the case of WoF related things it is entirely the traders responsibility to ensure this stuff is how it should be and it has an under month old inspection BEFORE its released to the buyer. no ifs or buts.
kazbanz,
Jan 3, 8:11am
Put simply.It is because we have created a society where the "innocent" are wrapped up in an ever increasing thickness of cotton wool. So in this "sand pit' the rules are pre determined and fixed. Right or wrong those are the rules. yes it does indeed strongly discourage for those people from using common sense or accepting personal responsibility.
kazbanz,
Jan 3, 8:14am
playing devils advocate--Why ? --if we take the law off the table as a reason then -why? What if we lived in a world where the buyer was responsible for ensuring what they purchased was fit for purpose ?
bumfacingdown,
Jan 3, 8:24am
All to often traders like to have it believed that they are the professionals, the experts, trust us, until it goes wrong then the customer is a dumb schmuck for not knowing what they were not told. That I would suggest is why some of these laws came into being
I think that's a very good question, I was merely stating as you well know what the law HERE is. We actually do live in a world where the buyer is responsible for ensuring what they purchased is fit for purpose. its what often happens in other countries. A seller merely has to prove he/she owns it (ie actually be in possession of an official ownership document) and therefore has the right to dispose of it, the buyer (being the end user) has to ensure its fits their own expectation for their intended purpose and if this is as a roadgoing vehicle meets whatever state or federal laws it's supposed to comply with, and obtain proof of this if required in the form of a roadworthy certificate or sticker. I don't see anything wrong with that approach, it actually gets rid of any doubts a buyer may have concerning a vehicles representation if it's entirely on them to make sure it is what it is.
franc123,
Jan 3, 10:04am
If they are representing themselves as such then they are assumed to be professionals. if there is any evidence they havent been in these sorts of disputes the DT can (and certainly has) taken a very dim view of it and have financially punished them for it, even for minor paperwork inaccuracies or omissions that possibly could have affected a purchasing decision. They are not very forgiving of things that could have been genuine oversights either, even when it comes to details concerning the spec of a car.
bumfacingdown,
Jan 3, 10:37am
Which is along the lines of what I meant with "That I would suggest is why some of these laws came into being" To many bent traders in the past. Still the occasional one about I suspect
tgray,
Jan 3, 7:25pm
Considering all the facts surrounding this, I seriously would doubt he was even given one.
kazbanz,
Oct 2, 11:06pm
This particular trader has an established history of selling accident damaged vehicles and getting "pinged" for it. Three DT cases that I could find without digging. all for the same thing. I figure--once yea shit happens-it could be a mistake.--three times its deliberate.
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