on a darn $1.00 reserve car. I have worked so hard for a clean slate, and in away I am glad I have it. Takes the pressure off. Still not happy but nothing I can do about it. The guy never even came to see it and I strongly advise they do. Bugga.
tgray,
Jan 4, 7:46am
That car should have gone for $1000 more at least! What's with the $11,0001990 corolla with 280k's! I guess you sold it huh!
jcwholesale,
Jan 4, 7:54am
Yeah I did, they have that $10.00 withdraw fee now, and i discounted the car as well. I always $1.00 reserve those turbo cars. To much trouble. Didn't expect a reddy though. How are you finding the classified adds now.
tgray,
Jan 4, 8:49am
Always done classifieds. 1. no success fee. 2. stops drunk bids late at night! 3. I get to dictate the sale price. Works for me.
mugenb20b,
Jan 4, 8:56am
Nothing wrong with a bit of colouring in your feedback. It's only important to show how you deal with bad situations. People reading your feedback will soon know who's at fault. I tried to have a clean record too, but there are some people you just can't please no matter what you do.
ginga4lyfe,
Jan 4, 9:02am
sadly alot of people are detered form classfieds for unknown reasons. > > And when did trademe start charging withdrawal fees, what a bloody ripoff!, you now pay for the auction, and the sucess of the auction, and also get charged relisting fees sometimes, now a withdrawal fee! this is clearly milking the sow dryer than the dry salt lake beds.
pico42,
Jan 4, 9:05am
Withdrawal fees were introduced as a response to a strong member demand for measures to prevent people making deals outside of TM then simply removing the auction.
friendly_prawn,
Jan 4, 9:22am
I take my hat off to you jcwholesale. To have as much good feedback as you have while selling cars, you must be extremely honest. Second hand cars can be a gamble. It's impossible to see in to the future and guess what is going to break down on them. Yet some clowns think if you sell a car, you're supposed to have a crystal ball to for see any future problems and magically stop them from occuring by using some magic charm to ward off future problems. Are you suddenly supposed to be magic and be able to see in to the future because you sell cars! Some people are just too thick to reason or use logic. It's why I would never auction a car. If your auctioning cars you are going to strike a reddy sooner or later. I dont think there is anyway out of it.
ginga4lyfe,
Jan 4, 9:32am
in my eyes people are only doing that to avoid fees, now that there is no backing out, I would imagine that they are only removing possible business from themselves
jcwholesale,
Jan 4, 9:42am
Yeah I have done a few $1.00 reserves lately, suppose it had to happen sooner or later. Oh well.
friendly_prawn,
Jan 4, 9:52am
yep with $1 reserves I believe it is impossible to avoid. Unless, Unless, now bear with me here. One of the problems with $1 reserve auctions is often people dont want to risk driving a long way to check out a car that might sell for a lot higher than they are prepared to bid. That's just wasted time right! So they bid with out viewing. Also often people come across the auction too late and have no choice but to bid with out viewing. the problem with bidders not viewing first is the buyers idea and your idea of what constitutes a good car can be miles apart. Buyer may be expecting an old car to be immaculate. I think there is a way around it.I know no other car dealer would agree with me, but keep an open mind here for a minute. What if you auctioned the car with the right for the buyer to back out if they didnt like what they seen upon pick up providing they showed to pick up said vehicle with in 2 days! ! At the worst you would only have to relist. Just a thought. I cant guarantee it would work out, but might be worth trialling. That way no arguments. If the buyers happy, it works out ok. If not, he goes on his merry way and everyone still happy. I think if the bidder is not a genuine bidder from the start, he just wont show up regardless of conditions of auction. If he goes to all the trouble to show up, to view the car after the auction, he wont be there for the fun of it. He would be a serious buyer.I honestly think it would be worth trialling. Just a thought for you.
kazbanz,
Jan 4, 2:47pm
FP--NOI do not agree. Hey if YOU want to offer this on a one off basisgo for it. As a general rule you are opening the whole auction process up to a totally different set of rules. 1) the -ohh I was top bidder but I only want to actually pay XXXX brigadealready try it on anyway but your way opens the door to them 2) the nit pickers and fakers would be given the power to do what they want.would in fact be given the power to do what they like
trademeaccount,
Jan 4, 5:23pm
I dunno, I think that idea has merit. A relist fee could be part of the bargain, right! You back out, pay my 70 bucks or whatever. No reddies on either side. In the end, the "nit pickers and fakers" still have to turn up in another town and go away empty handed if they are feeling ripped off. The seller will probably get the odd "negotiator" but that happens anyway. Not a perfect idea, but could work. Unless you're one of "those" $1 reserve sellers in auckland.
trogedon,
Jan 4, 5:28pm
One red face with all those excellent sales.pffft.
friendly_prawn,
Jan 4, 6:16pm
Heh heh I knew you would be the first to dissagre. On reflection I'm not sure my idea would help jcwholesale's situation of a car breaking down a week later. Regardless the buyer is going to be a tosser and blame the seller. As for your comment above I think what you say makes sense. Although dont they try that on anyway! Regardless of which way the auction is run, there are issues, my idea may be worth a try as i think most buyers are genuine and would go through with the purchase.
The way $1 reserve auctions are run now has so many flaws in it. I have seen some real bargains to be had, I would have bid and helped push the price up of a few auctions had I felt the dealer was a genuine seller. The problem is it's a known fact that often dealers will use $1 reserve auctions to as a dumping ground for their rubbish. Example, I went and looked at a car recently, $1 reserve auction. It was just what I was after, but upon testing it, i found it had many issues, yet the auction described it as being in good condition.
There are a lot of bidders out there like me that just wont bid on these auctions as I dont want to drive halfway across the country to look at something I know may sell out of my price range, or that is in the final closing stages of the auction and I cantget there to check it out in time.
So the auction process can cut out out a huge chunk of your buyers. And a lot of people have learnt not to trust the sellers description. There are plenty of dodgy car dealers around that just cant be trusted.
Now what if the auction stated feel free to view after. That could be put on the good cars you guys auction. That would give me as a buyer faith that I can trust what you're selling. It would open up the market to a lot more buyers for you guys. Sure you're going to get the odd tosser that is going to want to haggle etc but I think you'll find most buyers are genuine.
Just look at jcwholesale's feedback as proof. Only one idiot buyer out of how many!Usually bad feedback only occurs after some one strikes a dodgy car that had a misleading discription. . I think for the honest guys like you and jcwholesale, my method described above would at least be worth trialling. hey, if it dont work, go back to the old method. Nothing to lose.
friendly_prawn,
Jan 4, 6:48pm
and think about this, if I bid on a car half way across NZ, which I would do if I thought I could trust the seller not to be lying about its conditon, then I'm not going to travle half way across NZ to start playing games. Im going with the intention of picking up the car I just won in the auction.
The option of viewing after would open up the market to buyers from all around NZ instead of just your local buyers. As it stands, you are only going to get the idiots or risk takers that are going to bid on a car with out viewing. The genuine buyers that cant view first due to travel or time etc just wont bid. The method I have described will give buyers faith in what they are buying and will open up the whole of NZ as a potential market for you guys. Genuine buyers that cant view first will now be prepared to bid.
You could end up with a better class of the more genuine bidders so less hassles, and obviously more people being able to bid will push the price up. I think this method would only work for you more honest car dealers though. Shady car dealers selling crap are not able to use the above method of selling for obvious reasons.
lookoutas,
Jan 4, 7:34pm
From the heading - I thought you were a gang member:-)
trogedon,
Jan 4, 7:50pm
It's the Harley that gives the gang member look!
jcwholesale,
Jan 5, 5:08am
Just started another one, hope I have made it perfectly clear this time. Fingers crossed
friendly_prawn,
Jan 5, 8:59am
good luck mate, those $1 reserves aren't for the faint hearted.
johnf_456,
Jan 5, 10:21am
I'd take no notice of that feedback OP, its how you deal to it is the key. Its easy to see whos at fault reading fb.
friendly_prawn,
Jan 5, 10:24am
right on.
johnf_456,
Jan 5, 10:27am
Yup, unfortunately when you have people you have problems.
big.b-lil.c,
Jan 5, 12:53pm
that sounds good, i can buy a car cane it for a day if it holds together i can spend the next day swapping good parts off it for worn out parts off another. then return it for just a few dollars, even if i dont swap parts its a cheep rental. himmmm 90 mile beach fishing contest in a 4x4 im going to return Sunday arvo, that will save mine from rusting.
mugenb20b,
Jan 5, 6:16pm
True.let's start selling cars to animals.
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