Could we petition the govt' to remove RUC's from diesel passenger cars.!These machines don't damage the roads like the heavy trucks. and it seems wrong for users trying to save cash having to supplement operators like mainfrieghtwho generate enough cash for one of their founders to buy the most expensive car in NZ.These modern diesels out perform hybrids in real world tests so are fitting with our clean green image too.thoughts!
flashgordon_nz,
Jun 29, 6:43pm
like it was when i was in the uk. up to 7.5 t didnt run a ruc. but the tax was in the fuel at the pump. we would end up at $2 a litre diesel at the pump.
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 6:45pm
No, you are missing the point. Trucks pay huge amounts of RUCs, a single linehaul truck probably pays 100 times more RUCs than you do per year because of its weight and the ks it does.
Also, mainfreight does not own any trucks. All their trucks and drivers are contractors, even their depot vans and company cars are leased vehicles - so mainfreight isnt paying RUCs on any of the trucks you see on the road.
And why the hell does it matter what the owner of mainfreight drives!
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 6:48pm
Also, do you really want to run on a stupid system like the UK does! They have different colours of diesel for taxed and non taxed vehicles. If you get pulled over, your tank dipped and the wrong colour diesel found you get a big fine. This system is open to horrible abuse.
Also, if RUCs were abolished, and the tax were put on the diesel instead, you would be paying $2.35/litre for diesel anyways.
gammelvind,
Jun 29, 6:48pm
Always thought the govt was against the general public buying small economical diesels, by not including ruc in the fuel and also by charging extra Rego.
djrandomguy,
Jun 29, 6:49pm
to andrew.
A diesel powered hatchback ain't doing as much damage as a v8 commy or falcon. landcruiser etc. so why should they pay at all.Also it matters what the owner drives as there's loads of cash to be made driving trucks up and down the island as the govt' sold the rail network down the toilet.
xacoon,
Jun 29, 6:51pm
so hang on, is this how it works! lease a truck and you don't have to pay ruc! sweet, I'm off to lease some trucks in the morning
dent,
Jun 29, 6:53pm
Petrol drivers pay road users so why should people with a diesel powered hatchback not pay road users!
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 6:53pm
While I do not agree with your statement that a diesel hatch does less damage to the roads than a v8 commy (V8 commy rides on wider tires meang the load is spread over more surface area of road) the V8 commy owner is already paying a hell of a lot of roading tax on the petrol he buys, which you are **NOT** paying on your fuel, but on your kms instead. If anything, your argument is more for adding RUCs to petrol cars as well.
djrandomguy,
Jun 29, 6:55pm
look, i don't know how it works.I've said it.As a lay-person, explain to me. there is gst on petrol and i ASSUME there is gst on diesel.so if it's already taxed at the pump [or if it ain't it would be easier] why the ruc's on cars that do no damage to roading infrastructure.!i know farm vehicles are exempt in this rugby and dairy fetish nation.
illusion_,
Jun 29, 6:56pm
just sounds like someone doesnt want to pay their share
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 6:56pm
Nah mate by lease vehicles I mean those merc sprinter vans they run around in, which they do pay RUCs on. not the B trains etc.
djrandomguy,
Jun 29, 6:57pm
in answer to im andrews v8 defense. i'm doing it to use LESS fuel, so there should be incentive. to buy a v8 guzzler in this day and age is your own choice. i choose to go frugal and i think i should save. also the diesel will require more servicing [oil & filter] than the v8 and everything involved contains gst. including labour.
xacoon,
Jun 29, 6:58pm
this has really got me curious, who pays the ruc here! you are saying that if they lease a vehicle they don't have to pay ruc!
xacoon,
Jun 29, 7:00pm
now I am even more confused, so they dont pay ruc on their trucks!
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 7:00pm
I dont just mean GST on petrol - there are a hell of a lot of other taxes on petrol.
Also, your car DOES do damage to roading infastructure, just not much. Thats why you might pay $300 a year in RUCs while your 40t linehaul operator might be paying $10,000 - all because of his weight and the fact that his truck+trailer might do 100,000kms a year
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 7:01pm
No they dont, the owner/operators do. Mainfreight doesnt own any trucks.
djrandomguy,
Jun 29, 7:04pm
ok. cool.seems like a big hassle if commercial operators could easily be made the exception.for the person who said I don't wanna pay my share.umm I voted for a guy who wanted to build the rail loop [denied]my tax is paying for a world cup that is guaranteed to lose us money and we generate a third of the world's dairy here but it costs more per litre than petrol. Yea, i'm looking a for a break, sue me guy.
xacoon,
Jun 29, 7:05pm
the reason there is no ruc incorperated into the price of diesel as there is in petrol (hence the difference in price) is because of agricultural use. cant really charge ruc if the vehicle never sees road use. agricultural contractors get around this unfortunately though. they have the weight system to try and sort out the discrepencys in the system that you describe, which works to an extent, the ruc costs on a full size truck would keep your hatch running for years.
xacoon,
Jun 29, 7:06pm
so the owner operators dont factor the ruc into their contracts!
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 7:06pm
But the flaw behind taxing the fuel is that vehicles weighing the same may not pay the same tax.
Heres an example. Some dude running 20 tonne in his brand new 420hp scania may be getting 17km/litre. Meanwhile his neighbour, doing the same run in his ERF with a dirty old cummins might only be getting 5km/litre - carrying the same 20 tonne on the same axle configuration. Why should the guy with the ERF be paying 4 times more road tax as his neighbour, just because he is using more fuel! He is carrying the same weight over the same road.
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 7:07pm
Yeah of course they do. I dont see your point.
xacoon,
Jun 29, 7:08pm
what andrew is forgetting to mention is that there is ruc incorporated into petrol, and if a trucking company could get away with a 10000 a truck ruc charge a year they would be extatic.
xacoon,
Jun 29, 7:09pm
that the cost is passed onto mainfreight maybe! the man that pays the bills! the one who doesnt pay ruc. directly. still pays them.
im_andrew,
Jun 29, 7:10pm
Yeah that was just a number off the top of my head
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