A very good tip that, most of the cowboys do give the good ones a bad name with crap excuses and taking on too much work.
attitudedesignz,
Jun 24, 7:08pm
But at least us painters have the SKILL to hide the panelbeaters f ups. Like finishing with 36 grit then priming with 2 pack primer.- .using a brush. I wonder how some of you PBs can breath, walk and see where ya going sometimes, must take so much concentration lol.
gammelvind,
Jun 24, 7:16pm
Haha, I sell to you guys every day, love the banter. Coming from an outside industry there were a couple of things I noticed. Old panelbeaters were generally grumpy and deaf ( and always use way to much hardner in their bog). Old painters are a bit gaga, too many sniffed thinners lol, (and every painter is a bloody chemist, there is a reason that the paint company recommends a particular additive.)
attitudedesignz,
Jun 24, 7:28pm
Old painters! haha i'm 43 and i'm completely f'd in the head.
Lmao on the chemist thing, hit the nail on the head there mate. Instructions are only writin on the back of the tins to fill in the empty space on the labels, us painters know more than manufacturers with billions of $ and 100s of chemists working on these things, just ask us we'll tell you hehe.
rob_man,
Jun 24, 7:34pm
Yes, so they can sell it to you. Nothing wrong with using a parallel product you have sitting on the shelf even if it's another brand. You also need to become a chemist pretty quickly when you've run out of a material or additive, it's 7.30 PM and the car has do go out the next morning. Who ya gunna call!
brad166,
Jun 24, 7:47pm
Not a bloody panelbeater they will scratch the new paint
rob_man,
Jun 24, 7:51pm
The next morning, when the owner's on the way to pick it up.
elect70,
Jun 25, 11:32am
What also happens is a good commercial customer comes in & wants a job done yesterday soyour job gets pushed aside . . Still ,better than the bog & spitones that do it in 2 daysespecially in winter.
moosie_21,
Jun 25, 11:40am
Simple reason here: The customer comes last in NZ. Customer service here sucks big time, and they won't give a hoot about informing you why it's taking too long.
johnf_456,
Jun 25, 12:38pm
Who is to say they sit on it and rush the job in 2 days when its been there for 3 weeks plus.
rob_man,
Jun 25, 3:29pm
Sounds like you've been dealing with the wrong operators. I always put the repair at the forefront however, not the "feelings"of the customer so much. Maybe I was too brutally honest sometimes but like I said before, I never told the customers lies.
grangies,
Jun 25, 3:37pm
Sh1t happens from time to time.
As long as it is not a regular occurrence from the same tradesman then diddums.
Spray painters( I'm one ) , have stuff ups too every now and then.
lookoutas,
Jun 25, 3:44pm
I find it the other way around rob - it's the customers that tell the lies. Just had a classic example today - was pranged in the front and the tail light don't fit now. Had a look - one screw was missing and the other was loose. One of the dash bulbs isn't going (a big maybe) AC smells (like a lot do) Won't start with one key! Only genuine gripe was the moulding on a front door slightly touches the guard upon opening, but I was told the door wouldn't even open.
Pictures taken, so the Insurance Co can deal with the rest. The door is our/my problem, and easy to fix.
brad166,
Jun 25, 3:54pm
LMFAO so many people on here take what is said far toooo seriousl
grangies,
Jun 25, 4:19pm
LOL.
Sorry. Yeah. LOL.
Nothing wrong with a bit of Painter vs Aneleater banter.
I do it all the time, but it always easier realised in action, rather than words on a screen.
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lookoutas,
Jun 25, 4:34pm
We often call our Car Painters - Carpenters. Rough sawn wood sort of suits their finishes at times.
brad166,
Jun 25, 4:39pm
Hey got a question for you. You are a paint rep right! So are you a PPG supplier!
I am a rep based in Auckland
brad166,
Jun 25, 4:41pm
WTF are you haha ing about. 43 is over the hill old man. sounds like you think that is young
grangies,
Jun 25, 4:46pm
No not at all.
I'm still on the job.
I have used PPG in 2 shops before.
I have been a SIKKENS / AKZO-NOBEL user for about 50% of the last 20 years. Now I am using AKZO-NOBEL / LESONAL.
I think I may know the Barry you're thinking of. LOL.
marcos1,
Jun 25, 4:47pm
Time will tell for you as well ,young Brad.lol
rob_man,
Jun 25, 5:04pm
I too found Sikkens/Lesanol to be the best all round material in basecoat but still ran DG for solid colours. I'm not shy about picking the eyes out of paint systems. It's all about expediency in the end, brand loyalty is just bullshit generally propped up by tradesmen who lack confidence in their own instincts. What most of them don't realise is that all of the major 2k systems are licensed to the same company anyway.
grangies,
Jun 25, 5:10pm
The best way for a spray-painter to stay mentally and physically healthy, is to wear a friggen mask.
As soon as you pull the trigger on the gun, even for a short burst ( gun cleaning etc ) the fumes are very close to you.
And those fumes are bad.
Cigarette smoke is bad enough, but at least some smoke comes back out of your breath.
Paint fumes never come back out of your mouth when you breath them in.
grangies,
Jun 25, 5:33pm
Yes.
A good painter can use all paint systems, with ease.
But I do like Lesonal . LOL .
The coarse metallics in the light colours and silvers, blend out well.
rob_man,
Jun 25, 5:50pm
And the colours are pretty good as a rule, covers well as well as being reasonably priced.
grangies,
Jun 25, 6:06pm
Absolutely.
Have you tried the Sikkens Autocoat BT range!
It's quite new, and Otbury Refinish Solutions, quoted me $54 per litre regardless of the colour for Basecoat Colours, and $50 per litre for solid 2K colours.
He reckons it is almost the same, as Lesonal basecoat to use for the basecoat metallics.
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