Just paid online for ownership history on a car with carjam and it just comes up "name protected by law" under every entry. I know the new rules now apply, however it is misleading to say pay a fee for owner details and then once you have paid, show no owner details on the report. I fail to see how making it harder for people to establish ownership, is going to help anyone. Simply buying a carjam report will not tell you anymore.
intrade,
May 3, 9:08am
my naigbour said yesterday that he no longer has to pay the land rates as he is a free man on the land and has got a letter from the councyl to confirm this. will go and see it for my self in the next days. This also can be applyed to cars you dont have to pay nothing but you cant just not pay you have to inform them the correct way that you are now grown up and dont need the fees from the governments . if you pay you agreed to do so and if you dont pay you agree also that they can charge you. i rember when he told me he had a stack of letters from him and council. the guy who figured it all out was robert monard the magificent diception. thats all it is a deception to trick you in to pay them all they like.
crzyhrse,
May 3, 9:28am
What would you accept as proof of ownership! (this will be good)
intrade,
May 3, 9:33am
another fact you get wrong its not ownership. what it is and its proven to be true its a registrar of who to send the bills to. the person who is on the paper is the one who gets the bills and is no proof that he owns the vehicle in question. you can go and put any car in your name even the ne jon-key drives by just going to the post shop. its a big problem when finace is owed on it then the car is lended as security to the finace company and they can take it from who ever , how legal that is i dont know my self but its a huge mess from a to Z and its all built on lies and deception.
ginga4lyfe,
May 3, 9:50am
I would like to know how to apply for that, Iv heard of whom you speak of, though, im not sure if that can be done here because we arnt protected by a constitution like the USA is
intrade,
May 3, 10:28am
the guy is canadian and we are in the comonwealth country same stuff that apply to canada apply here its not usa. having said all this its not easy as i dont understand much of what they talk and my naigbour said he has written stacks of paperwork back and forward. you have to be sure to write the correct things so you dont agree to them. with notice of intent and alsorts other iffy buyness. you sortof write back like this he said notice to your notice lol.as all they do is send you a invetation to pay there demand. he said they usually written it would be good if you would pay sir as everyone pays stuff like this was in the letters he got back and you got to reply with notice of understanding and intent. sortof wording.
elvis58,
May 3, 10:33am
A Dunedin locksmith tried this a number of years back, drove his vehicle around withno plates on it and seemed to get away with it for some time. He claimed something to do with it being a "vehicle of passage" or something to that affect, i googled it with no luck. Seemed to tie the courts up for sometime but it no doubt cost him a fortune and he soon lost, interesting though!
intrade,
May 3, 10:39am
i recon it gets real tricky when it comes to stuff like this and i know if you do one thing to confirm to them wham they got you.
intrade,
May 3, 10:47am
you want to whatchthe movie the coorporation as that is all part of how the whole of the system operates as basis. there must be something true when you put 2 and 2togather aswe have a credit rating .and stuff so who is determaning the credit rating of new zealandthe "imf" international monitoring fund. So who are they some jews controlling the whole world!. its all not clear and no one will tell you nothing just expects you to agree and do as they say even when you dont need to. like the usa printing more and more money . whats that gona do! put 2 and 2togather all that does makes the rest of the money worthless by the extra money . printed.inflation. Its a huge worldwide mess the moneytori system as a whole.
intrade,
May 3, 10:56am
did he mean carne the pasage! becausewith that you can obey there rules and drive for i think 3 years here as the word carne the passage i think means what you discribed "vehicle of passage" this vehicle has no tax paid on import but needs the paperwork carne de passage that is issued normally at country of origin and a bond is normally wanted from the original country, once the carne expires you are no longer legally allowed to operate it . you also get your bond back once it expires. this bond is fro the likes of country like india whereevery car has to be exported out of the country or a huge fee has to be paid just to leave it in india. the bond will then belong to india if you dont export it out of there. even if the car is burned out it must still be exported from india. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnet_de_Passage
intrade,
May 3, 11:09am
back to the original question. you sortof dont need to know who owned it over the history as its only the registerd owner who gets the fines, this is in most cases the owner of the vehicle that is true. but what you want to know is if there is money securety registered to the vehicle and if the odometer is likely been tempered, these are the things of importance when you want to buy a vehicle in my opinion.
johnf_456,
May 3, 11:13am
The ltsa still exist!
matthew111,
May 3, 2:13pm
any person can own a vehicle as per the registration papers, even a baby. It is the user you want to talk to.
crzyhrse,
May 3, 4:25pm
You have read the Certificate of Registration (the thing people wrongly call 'ownership papers') haven't you and specifically the bit under the words 'Important Information' that says 'This certificate. does not constitute legal ownership', right!
crzyhrse,
May 3, 4:26pm
Oh dear. This is completely wrong.
elvis58,
May 3, 5:45pm
Only if that baby has a drivers license!
smac,
May 4, 6:25am
Because of Section 22 of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986
Legally. Registered owner means nothing to you and I. It is simply a mechanism by which the authorities can levy invoices based on alleged infringements.
irenew,
May 4, 8:20am
The Corporation movie. Well worth seeing. A business having all the rights of an individual but can dip out when it comes to responsibilities. I saw it around the Enron stuff (saw that movie too). Scary.
smac,
May 4, 8:22am
Well you're 99.99% safe if: - It's not reported stolen - there is no registered security against the vehicle - the seller is the registered owner (see link above)
Plus for the paranoid: - the seller has receipts to show they purchased the vehicle (plenty of legit reasons why this may not be available though)
If this isn't enough, then I take it you never purchase any second hand goods ever ;)
crzyhrse,
May 4, 9:02am
Your 99.99% is based solely on a guess and bias of your personal beliefs. It's certainly not objective.
The point I've made is that you simply cannot possibly know with certainty that the person selling the vehicle legally owns it - clear title is always going to be a gamble unless buying from an RMVT. Registered security has nothing to do with it except that if it isn't cleared and there is money outstanding on that loan for which the vehicle is used as security and there is a default on that loan then you may lose the vehicle anyway. Registered owner is no proof of anything to do with legal ownership as I've already said. Reported stolen, helpful, yes.
However, the vehicle can be seized and sold by the courts based solely on the registered owner regardless of who actually owns it.
Why is there no protection for the public!
smac,
May 4, 9:08am
I understand your point, and am not actually disagreeing with it (with regard to the value of registered ownership etc). However my statements are not a guess and personal bias, they're practical advice for the real world.
If it's as bad as you're describing, what steps do you take to buy a vehicle! What problems is this actually causing to real people!
Just seems to be a lot of fluff about nothing, but if there's real problems, educate me :)
johnf_456,
May 4, 9:12am
You do not need a license to own a vehicle and regarding above registered owner is no way the legally owner. Its not like you show proof that you bought a vehicle to put it your name (proof of purchase like you get when you shop)
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