all it takes is one pillock, the 80 km zone all the way to fortification road is all down to one guy bugging the council, so now we have kms of highway that should be 100km stuck at 80.
huffpuff01,
Mar 18, 12:31am
so the stop sign they have recently put in at the left turn lane at the weston turn off is necessary in your opinion!
Not in my opinion. I am pointing out, that there are reasons why stop signs are put in place. not just chucked around for the fun of it. In my opinion, people need to be taught how to driver correctly; and use their eyes, follow basic road rules. It would make driving in NZ a lot safer, faster and more enjoyable.
xacoon,
Mar 18, 2:35am
not putting stop signs where they are not needed would make driving in NZ a lot faster and more enjoyable. if people could "driver correctly" as you say, has feck all to do with it, just like a 0% alcohol policy wont stop repeat drunk drivers, and the anti smacking laws havent stopped child abuse. the near calls I have had have rarely been at intersections, mostly out of driveways and the like, or the occasional person that has come to a complete stop at the stop sign then just pulled out in front of me. retards will always be retards, so until you can change that I dont see the point in penalising the majority of the population with frustrating and unnecessary holdups where the trafficused to flow smoothly.
xacoon,
Mar 18, 2:41am
long story short there are a lot of people who simply shouldnt be on the road and no amount of cotton wool tactics will change that, try driving a truck or tractor on the road for a couple of weeks if you want proof, there are some utter idiots on the roads that think the rules dont apply, that is in all age groups and sectors of the community too not just pigeonholed to boy racers or whatever. a lot of the changes "to make the roads safer" are done by some shiney arse trying to justify his/her job rather than well thought out changes to actually make them safer. if they actually wanted safer roads they would make getting a licence a challenge instead of just handing them out to all and sundry
johnf_456,
Mar 18, 6:10am
Personally I think the driving tests are hard enough, they are very fussy. But the key is what the drivers do after the test, alot know the rules just simply choose to be blatant ignorant about it and lazy. Hence not using indicators, basically saying we can do what we want. Not to mention old drivers that sat their test 40 years ago. Surly a system needs to be in place, just for a simple ride around the block to help weed out the tools.
xacoon,
Mar 18, 9:33am
Really! oh dear lord.
johnf_456,
Mar 18, 9:41am
So why not make a lot of the older drivers re license who do not have a clue on the rules, especially been a lot of rules have changed since 40 years ago. Just because you passed a test yonks ago does not mean your ok 40 years later.A lot of it is pure ignorance do the rules, I'll know what they are but they do not apply to me sort of attitude.
xacoon,
Mar 18, 9:43am
as soon as you make the initial test less of a cakewalk then go hard. I am more than happy to sit a refresher, even though my licence is a lot younger than 40
johnf_456,
Mar 18, 9:45am
Yup so would I, has a lot of people need to learn basic rules of the road.
xacoon,
Mar 18, 9:47am
yep so why not start with the initial testing! its no harder than when I sat mine, which I could have done with my eyes closed.
johnf_456,
Mar 18, 9:49am
I still do not think its the test but more peoples attitudes after the test, its more people saying I've got my license I can do what I want now.
xacoon,
Mar 18, 9:52am
and I beg to differ, yes there is that element but there are multitudes of gormless imbeciles clogging up our roads with no clue as to what they are meant to be doing. right hand rule for instance, simple effective rule, makes perfect sense, but a fair whack of peoples simply dont get it, or by what you are saying simply dont want to get it!
xacoon,
Mar 18, 9:54am
bring driver education to schools, an hour a week even from the age of 10, so hopefully by the time these kids hit the streets they at least know the rules, I usually hate the "its education that is required" bollocks but in this case it is
johnf_456,
Mar 18, 9:58am
I get what your saying but I say there is more older drivers on the road who got there license yonks ago then some newbie who is taught the rules and studied them. People need to be re minded of rules like the one you stated above, even a refresher quiz would be a good start every time you re did your licence.
xacoon,
Mar 18, 10:10am
Im not disagreeing with you, its just that if the initial test isnt actually, um, ah, testing! what is the point! I currently drivr for a living, and know the rules and regs a lot better than when I sat any licences 1 through 6. but i would imagine average jo driver would breeze through the test and carry on his merry way forgetting the rules that are just in his peripheral and maybe remembering to stop at the occasional stop sign if its not too much effort thanks. honestly if the initial test doesnt teach you anything how many people are going to make an effort to better there knowledge on the ins and outs of this road rule business! we are in a motoring forum so obviously most on here will have an affinity to vehicular transport and the accompanying rules, but try this exercise in general and opinion and see what happens, an easy test causes complacency to a degree so, as you have mentioned, the licence is aquired and forgotten about, "I know it all I have a bit of plastic to prove it"
wrong2,
Mar 18, 3:06pm
what a load of crap
its like the double yellows & the rumble edging, the safety concerns are getting over the top
richardmayes,
Mar 18, 3:10pm
Yeah don't worry about stop signs or any of that lefty PC bullsh!t.
It was a total fluke that you arrived at work safely this morning. The fact that we have a system of traffic laws and most people were obeying them had almost nothing to do with it.
wrong2,
Mar 18, 3:14pm
laws dont keep your car under control
laws dont manouver your car around hazards
open eyeballs & a brain thats thinking about what its doing does that
lefty or righty political BS is completely irrelevant
richardmayes,
Mar 18, 3:17pm
No, but things like stop signs and giving way rules do control which car goes and which car waits.
wrong2,
Mar 18, 3:21pm
& when theres nothing to stop for, except the cop on the other side of the road waiting to give out tickets, ill remind myself that i dont have to use my brain when im driving because ive got all these lovely laws keeping me safe
because obviously i cant be expected to do it on my own
richardmayes,
Jul 31, 5:01pm
I don't understand what you are referring to, when you keep talking about using your brain as opposed to having traffic rules.
I can imagine a traffic system based on courtesy, where the car on the main road always slows or stops to allow the car turning out of the side street to go first. (Why not! Dreams are free.)
Obviously, you couldn't have this system AND the kind of "give way to your right" system we currently do have. So you have to choose one, and have everyone stick with it.
Likewise, I can imagine a system where we drive on the right hand side of the road, not the left. But again this would be totally incompatible with the drive on the left system we do in fact have. So we have to choose one, and stick with it, and make sure everyone is doing the same thing.
This isn't the same as forcing drivers to be mindless drones, or even encouraging them to be.
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