Hey guys while there is all this discussion on CV boots. Is there a boot that can be put on without having to dismantle the whole joint. They are such a pain to do at home, just wondering if there was such a beast that can be wrapped around.
rpvr,
Mar 25, 6:20am
I think they have been available at times, but have not proved too successful. Designing a seam which will remain sealed with the multi directional movement of a CV is a bit much of an ask. The boots used on the rear axles of the old VWs were a good concept, and coped well with suspension movement, but were not subject to the turning movement which CV joints have. Still, the new "stretchy" CV boots which use a cone to stretch the small end over the CV allow the job to be done with the minimum of dismantling.
sheepey,
Mar 25, 6:35am
In my experience with the last few i have done, the joints have become so cheap new now and include all components that by the time the failure has been picked up, it's probably better to replace the complete joint than just the boot.This may not be the case with all vehicles though! It's a bit like leaving the water pump when replacing a cambelt in that it's false economy to replace the boot when the joints so cheap!
gadgit3,
Mar 25, 6:54am
Toyota do a range of split boots that are good and can be fitted in 15min. I have been fitting them for a while now and some of the customers have done over 70000kms and it's still holding fast.
gammelvind,
Mar 25, 7:01am
Genuine toyota part only available ex toyota!
gadgit3,
Mar 25, 7:36am
Yip genuine Toyota part in the Toyota box. And yip all Toyota parts dept's can supply. If the parts guys have catalogued them right you should be able to give them the dia of the cv and the axle and they will match it to the correct boot.
johnf_456,
Mar 25, 8:30am
Correct but ideally you want to fix the boot now rather than fix / replace the whole joint later.
bellky,
Mar 25, 8:49am
oh come on. this thread is about wof recheck right!
initial wof fail for oil on brakes; almost definitely as a result of damaged cv boot - so oil on brakes needs to be remedied.
so clean brakes (and not replace cv boot) and go for recheck and will pass! NO. problem not remedied.
surely
mugenb20b,
Mar 25, 10:29am
Exactly.
dent,
Mar 25, 10:42am
Bellky are you a warrant of fitness inspector!
carmedic,
Mar 25, 11:00am
Wrong. The problem was grease/oil on brake components AT THE TIME OF TEST if there is no grease/oil on brake components AT THE TIME OF RE TEST it??
dent,
Mar 25, 11:01am
First of all let me point out that if a vehicle is failed for grease on the brakes due to a split c.v boot, the c.v boot should be replaced. But in theory all the owner needs to do is clean the grease off the brakes. The vehicle was failed for grease on brakes not a split c.v boot. (you cant fail a vehicle for a split c.v boot.) Once they have fixed the failure fault its fine. If you had a vehicle failed for excessive oil smoke due to worn rings. Do you replace the rings! Or add some stop smoke treatment and find its much better. Now you haven't fixed the cause just the problem. But once again it is now up to warrant standards.
martin11,
Mar 25, 12:30pm
yes the are if the boots are split , cv could be faulty and may affect your steering
dent,
Mar 25, 12:37pm
Split c.v boots are not a reason for rejection. Steering rack boots are.
gunhand,
Mar 25, 12:40pm
Um as above over and over no there not. Mind you anyone with common sence would replace them when they are told about them being split. Saves dirt and shit getting to the CV and wearing it out rather prematuraly. so a small fix saves a big fix. Makes $$ sence to me.
carmedic,
Mar 25, 2:48pm
Oh whatever, what the heck would I know! I??
snoopy221,
Mar 25, 2:54pm
L M FA O. This reminds me of when the **gods** hadn't nailed it in the V.I.R.M. Failed one at about 4 P.M. booked it in for the manyanna. mmkay it didn't turn up. Bugga me this **irate** owner turns up at aboot 4ski and we should have told her it was dangerous. Joint fell apart on the north western motorway. Was our name mud-end of the day lady we failed it. [Only one i have seen/heard of droppin it's goulies on the road-but makes ya think don't it!]
unbeatabull,
Mar 25, 3:00pm
IF a car is failed due to a CV Boot spilling grease onto the brakes, as listed in the Wof Sheet, come recheck time I will still fail it if they have just cleaned it due to them not fixing the cause.
If they however went through for a new WOF I would have to pass it.
dent,
Mar 25, 5:33pm
Well there's no rule about failing for split C.V boot. Theres no difference between your two statements apart from they have cleaned the brakes. Both of the times they have split c.v boots Yet one time you will pass and one time you will fail.
unbeatabull,
Mar 25, 5:57pm
Because one is a RECHECK which failed due to grease on brakes caused by a split CV Boot. If it came back for a RECHECK and the Cause hadn't been fixed I still would Fail it.
However, if the car was in for a fresh WOF, with grease already cleaned off, then I wouldn't be able to Fail it. Do I need to spell it out any better for you!
snoopy221,
Mar 25, 6:04pm
A rear wheel drive WILL fail with a worn driveshaft universal. A front wheel drive with a DAMAGED DRIVE JOINT. I.E. Mini with the rubber crossses-WILL FAIL. Modern C.V. joints are stronger than they used to be.
The regulation re NOT failing came about in about 1991 or 1992. And IF the joint IS worn toSUCH an extent-ENTIRELY due(As ya know) to crap getting in from no/split protective COVER.boot. Well if as an inspector YOU Personaly deem it unsafe-there is NO LAW that says you must sign your name. When you realisticly have to pass an exam-Quite simply-refer it to the person.**Gods** that take you for that same exam. The reason some would LIKE to fail on boots-is simply an OBVIOUS potential PROBLEM.
Respectivley it's not the same scenario as a stone in between a steering rack and a pinion.But tis an area where convention dictates logic. Bugga is-only ever had one CV cage in umpteen bitsas a a dangerous drivetrain failure-however i had a failure sheet with my name on it-if there HAD been an accident-well!
Seen a few damn REWRITES of the wording of the regs though. Any of you ever seen a JISD4604. Yip JISD4604. NOT JISD4604 ELR VW. Seatbelts that are simply a damn blind roller with no locking mechanism-you simply ring the houer that passes ya exam and when he says that's what the book says and ya got to pass it-ya tell him . The guy is PERSONALLY bringing the damn car to YOU for YOU to sign MATE. [Needless to say that book got rewritten.with the added letters] Some regs are written by fullas MILES from the coal face.
Sometimes people at the coal face know that 4 sure.
snoopy221,
Mar 25, 6:08pm
Spelled right unbeatabull. [Only loophole-unless joint itself deemed unsafe]
kamitchell,
Mar 25, 10:01pm
Had a car fail last year for torn steering rack boot, but ok for torn cv boot. I mentioned that's crazy. The mechanic agreed. I changed them all.
tonyrockyhorror,
Mar 26, 7:48am
Not crazy at all when you understand the mechanism by which component operates.
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