whats the go with the new cert laws with regard to allowable camber angles! i heard you cant deviate more than 30% from standard angles!
a18a,
May 15, 6:21pm
Wouldn't surprise me with all these muppets around now who think it's cool to drive around with 45 degrees negative camber on their hella flush wheels with stretched tyres bro.
r15,
May 15, 6:23pm
sounds like a good idea.you'd like to think the factory had it within 30% of correct!
fordcrzy,
May 15, 6:25pm
i know.theres an s14 around tauranga with the most STUUUUUUUUPID rear camber on it. it looks so freakin dumb. but i was just wondering as i want to run -2 degrees rear and -1.5 in the front which is perfectly reasonable but the factory settings are only -1 at the most due to it being set up for daily commuters and not the track.
morrisman1,
May 15, 6:31pm
So if the factory has 0° camber, that would mean that you cannot change it at all.
fordcrzy,
May 15, 6:35pm
factory camber settings were developed for even tyre wear while driving like a nana.
smac,
May 15, 6:44pm
Where have you seen this! Not seeing it in lvvta.org documents!
pico42,
May 15, 6:50pm
I read on off road express a while back about bump steer testing, might be related to that
Which give a limit of manufacturers specification plus 30' (half a degree)
So, 30 minutes, not 30%.
bubbles244,
May 15, 8:22pm
on leaves it isnt an issue due to the fact they are fitted to beam axles100% of the time, there for the castor camber and alignment is relative to the axle, not the body unlike IFS. short answer no change.
even then if the geometry of twin A arm suspension such as that of a toyota hilux or nissan terrano is set correctly then there would be no change either.
I think you will find it is targeted at specialised suspension modification such as dislocating suspension and modifications made to offroaders to increase there ground clearance such as chopping the mounts of the chassi rail and mounting them lower to raise the chassis's ride height. And extending the upper A arm to compensate for the change in camber after a suspension lift would alter the geometry of the suspension
sr2,
May 15, 8:46pm
LOL, great observation; I don't think anyone has picked up on that!
Well yeah, because as pointed out above it's an actual measurement, not a percentage.
martin11,
May 16, 6:48am
Sounds like you should be off the road ,if you drive like an idiot
smac,
May 16, 7:04am
Yeah thanks for contributing.
Interesting reading that bulletin. I suspect where they say they got a lot of discussion from the industry during the consultation they are understating things slightly. There would have been a LOT of differing views on this.
A tolerance of half a degree is way too small in my opinion. Take a mini for example ('cause that's what I know). Factory standard was actually something like 1-2 degrees POSITIVE camber. Who the hell knows why, too much gin I suspect. Evil stuff. Whereas even on a standard road car about .5 negative is better, already outside the LVV allowance. In a car modified for performance and/or one driven at all enthusiastically I'd take that out to 1 degree or more. This is for grip we're talking about. Safety. Not looks. I think a coverall rule is a mistake.
sr2,
May 16, 7:22am
30% sure sounds like a percentage to me!
bill-robinson,
May 16, 8:28am
the +ve camber you mention was for crossply tyres. most modern care are on radials. They are talking about street driven cars not show off driversthe grip you mention is used where,cornering, or when you are braking for the corner.
smac,
May 16, 8:29am
Ummm.yees.I know this.
esprit,
May 16, 8:50am
Some limitation on allowable camber for road cars is needed due to the proliferation of stupidly-cambered cars. They've probably been a bit stingy with their allowance, and I suspect they'll widen it, but it should be noted that race cars carrying an authority card can run whatever camber you want, meaning that for race cars that actually NEED camber, there's no reason they can't get a cert.
bill-robinson,
May 16, 9:17am
so the point of your first post was!
upnorth,
May 16, 10:03am
Gotta find me a Trekka or an old Trumpet 2000 TC so I can drive legally like a nana.
smac,
May 16, 10:10am
You've lost me sorry. Which bit of what I said didn't make sense! My first post was me simply saying I couldn't find the reference, and then somebody else posted it.
bellky,
May 16, 10:10am
Maybe try and read it again!
smac,
May 16, 10:27am
Now you've lost me! As above, I didn't see it, then somebody posted a link. Cool.
bellky,
May 16, 10:30am
I'm lost too - I thought he meant #15.
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