Supposedly the change will be in October and the new rule will be based on weight to kilowatt ratio including 90kg for the rider and accessories with a maximum of 660cc. A large range of bikes will be available to the learner based on these rules including DR 400, V-Strom 650 and a heap of others.unbelievable.
gunhand,
Jun 13, 5:36pm
Yep, good news for sure.
i-n-horz,
Jun 13, 5:39pm
Up goes the ACC, rego, insurance and whatever else.ferk'n krazy!
gunhand,
Jun 13, 5:43pm
Why do you say that! I hear car rego is actaully going down soon. One would assume/hope that includes bikes.I reckon some asthmatic 250s are a dangerous things myself. But at least learners can do 100kph like everyone else, doin 70kph was a stupid rule.
richynuts,
Jun 13, 5:47pm
doesn't matter really.can get hurt if you crash at 100km/hr what ever bike you ride, however must admit there are alot of flaws in the LAMS list,
i-n-horz,
Jun 13, 5:49pm
Yup not wrong there gunhand keep'n with the flow is by far the logical thing to do but then obviously the rule makers aren't that logical.I can imagine a turn around on rego pricing when it suits them just like everything else.
gunhand,
Jun 13, 5:56pm
Personaly I reckon it will get new riders onto far safer quailty bikes and therefore hopefully be safer. A Vstrom is a far better option thn some 200,000 ratty 1980 CB250 that owners and shops ask stupid money for as thats was ya only option (250 that is) and they had ya by the balls so to speak.Ive ridden a number of the older 250s they flog to learners and there just bloody awfull thing. And new 250s start at 6k plus. Least you can start on a bike you may well keep for a few years. I havent meet a learner yet who was terrified riding there 250s and couldntwait to sell them. Some even just get the licence then wait out the period and trade up.
Yeh well I guess time will tell gunhand.I kind'a put it in comparison with the youth of today in their 4 wheeled-whizz-bang-blow-off-ro- cket-pods. Some of the bikes that'll be available will most definitely put the shits up the average Joe with their speed and I must say performance as long as the rider knows their own riding ability and where it stops.unlike a lot of BR's
gunhand,
Jun 13, 6:50pm
I tend to find learners are quite safe really. And that reason being they (well most) are well awhere they are at risk of injury more so on a bike than a car and tend to take it easy. I think cars give you a false sence of safety at times. Im not sure what the average learner crash rate is but I reckon it wont be that high. Most of the written off bikes I see are not learner ones thats for sure. Ive seen brand new Hyper bikes wrecked as well as new tourers and again not learner bikes. If theres no conection between brain and throttle with soem well chances are they will be idiots in any mode of transport.
i-n-horz,
Jun 13, 6:56pm
Spot on gun.another thang is a lot of learners give up the ghost on their 1st,2nd drop and like you say brain,throttle co-ordination is a must and if it aint there it's a dead give away for a temporary NZ'der if they choose to proceed on 2 wheels.
tonyrockyhorror,
Jun 13, 9:54pm
It already has in Australia.
bitsy_boffin,
Jun 13, 10:20pm
No, they really won't.
It's not EVERY bike under 650 that is allowed, it's a very limited list of comparatively low power bikes.
You might look at the list and see a model that you THINK is extremely powerful, but actually it's only a power limited version of the bike that has been allowed, and when I say limited I mean EXTREMELY limited.I doubt you will see much on the list that produces that much over 40hp no matter what a cursory glance at the model code makes you think.
danni_2254,
Jun 14, 2:14am
Nonsense. EVERY bike under 660cc is allowed unless its stated on the LAM Prohibited list, which for now only contains 2 strokes.
snj11,
Jun 14, 2:40am
you are wrong, it has to be on the approved list
motorboy2011,
Jun 14, 5:54am
they are hardly going to let a learner have a suzuki gsxr600 but not a suzuki rgv250.
Perhaps you should read the list I posted of approved bikes. Definatly not everything under 660cc and many of them have a "U" designation being a restricted model
gooddealz2,
Jun 14, 10:45am
i-n-horz---------That guy won't live long.I keep thinking about getting a licence as I used to ride my brothers bikes years ago but never got around to it.I hate sitting tests and stuff though which puts me off.Maybe when the sun shines again.I'd love a vintage bike of some sort.
bitsy_boffin,
Jun 14, 11:04am
No, you are very much incorrect.
To be learner approved it must be: 1:250cc and under and NOT on the prohibited list; OR 2:250cc - 660cc and SPECIFICALLY LISTED on the permitted list; OR 3:250cc- 660cc and made before 1960
If a bike does not fall into one of those 3 categories, then it is NOT permitted for L/R riders.
bitsy_boffin,
Jun 14, 11:11am
The GSX-R600 is NOT listed, it is NOT going to be learner approved.
The GSX-R600*U* is listed and is going to be learner approved.
What's the difference you ask - around 70 horsepower.
The *U* model which is permitted produces circa 33 horsepower compared to the normal model's 103 (for current versions).
33 hp is less than even my late 80s 250cc vtwin does and roughly equivalent to many modern 250s - except that in the 600U, it's hauling a bigger bike so it's even worse than that.
hamishcookie,
Jun 14, 11:28am
Odd that the NC35 RVF400 is on the list but not the NC30 VFR400
virago72,
Jun 14, 2:35pm
IT 490 is on the approved list! Man I rode one of these on the road once and struggled to keep the front wheel on the ground. GREAT learner bike!
richynuts,
Jun 14, 2:49pm
53 hp for the RVF compared to 59hp for VFR which is also lighter.The suzuki 650 v-strom is listed these are 66hp but 220kg dry.
i-n-horz,
Jun 14, 4:16pm
Makes me wonder how they're going to enforce or manage who's suppose to be riding what. Mr Plod will have to either know his bikes,kilowatts and weights or possibly he/she will issue the ticket at their discretion and like the exhaust decibel readings it's at your cost to prove otherwise.I hope that's not the way it'll go.
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