LMAO, I was wondering when you were going to roll out the "if you don't speed you won't get a fine" nonsense. That's a real pearl that one because it "sounds good" and distracts away from the real issues. Its also completely unworkable in the real world, because everyone accidentally speeds from time to time and that's the new target for revenue.
It dosn't matter where road policing funding comes from or is paid for by. The Police still are trying to extract 100M a year from motorists by way of fines. You can spin things however you like but the fact remains they needto and do collect the equivalent of a significant fine from every motorist every year.
Now the "real speeders" that attract the big fines are pretty much gone thegeneral motorist is expected to fill the gap by paying for fines they collect on technicalities.
smac,
Jun 22, 8:51am
Jazz, you never answered my question: did you stop and talk about this incident!
While I'm waiting, I'll ask another: when you wrote to the Minister for Police and asked about the degradation of the guidelines, what was the answer! I am of course assuming you have made an attempt to source some information from those making the decisions rather than simply coming up with your own conclusions).
smac,
Jun 22, 8:52am
Do you know how many fatalities have occurred on that stretch in the last 5 years!
richardmayes,
Jun 22, 8:54am
Curious, I thought the reference said $0.25 per capita in traffic infringement fines.
Where did you see $40!
rover79,
Jun 22, 8:54am
Totally agree there. They know all the trouble spots around NZ so their time would be better spent with their presence around them and help save lives. They need to leave passing lanes alone and let the traffic sort it self out. I remember a long weekend awhile ago, cops were on a motorway overbridge with a speed camera and 4 or 5 cars on the on ramp ready to chase. Yet that long weekend I heard 5 ambulances come into town from north of the motorway. Thats where they should of been, out on the highway.
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 22, 8:55am
Sorry smac, fair call, I just missed your first question in the thick of it.
No I didn't stop and discuss it. I considered it but in my experience its pointless trying to raise an issue like this with the offending officer. Chances are they will just take offence and either try and give you a ticket, even if you have done nothing wrong or even try and target and bully you if you are a local.
It also was not safe to stop, just as it was not safe for the Police car to come roaring out in front of me with inadequate warning. It was actually lucky that I had experienced this stupidity before, I actually had my foot hovering over the brake and my eyes checking my rear view mirror waiting for it to happen. The time before this happened at the end of a passing lane it was everything I could do to avoid a multiple car pile up.
I never wrote to the Minister of Police over that particular issue, if I wrote about every point of failing I would have a full time job.
There was no need for further analysis, the old web page with the year on year changes made it very clear. Such a shame it is now gone, I have linked to it in years past though so some on here may remember it.
richardmayes,
Jun 22, 8:59am
On the contrary my dear Jazz, it is YOU who is mistaken.
As I said Ministry of Transport's TOTAL revenue (from ALL their sources) makes up 1.76% of the GOVERNMENT's revenue.
0.0008% of that 1.76% is "infringements".
I.e. $0.25 per capita, per annum.
I.e two thirds of sod-all.
I'm not sure where you get your "about $40" from!
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 22, 9:04am
Have a look under "Police Income" and you will see another much larger mention of infringement income.
Your link is not really a very good one for demonstrating your point. I prefer just to work from the many sources of "Police infringement revenue" I have located and posted them here before multiple times. Your link does not make things clear enough and seems to jumble things in to different departments. For example I suspect that a lot of the revenue from road policing is also ending up under "court fines" because thats what many late paid infringement fines get turned into.
Its generally just under the 100M a year and has been for years.
smac,
Jun 22, 9:05am
SO again, rather than attempting to source some facts you feel it's a better use of your time to launch into another presumptuous rant.
You're smart, you've got some excellent intentions and ideals. Your execution is pants mate.
richardmayes,
Jun 22, 9:08am
Oh I see:
New Zealand Police Infringement fees $87.70 million 0.12% of total $19.91 per capita
Still a bit less than $40.
Still an absolute drop of piss on the wind compared to income tax -why would they bother, if revenue gathering was the objective!
And I've posted up my reference for all this. what's yours!
holden95,
Jun 22, 9:09am
Haha how many people get caught ACCIDENTLY speeding. Wonder what that ratio is compared to the amount of times they have sped to the amount they have been caught. Have been driving 30 years never had a speeding ticket, cannot understand why, ooh yeah I like my money in my pocket!
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 22, 9:10am
You seem to operate just like the Police, trying to shift the focus away from the big issue into some nit picking possible but unlikely scenario.
Of course I didn't know he had been pulled over for speeding or whether he had been *555'd
BUT I do know with pretty good accuracy what speed he passed me at as my eyes were glued to my own speedometer.
I also saw him being very courteous and patient in my rear view mirror the whole time with good following distance.
I also saw the cop parked right at the end of the passing lane.
I also saw the cop pull out right in front of me causing me to brake heavily.
If the court systems workedlike you, no one would ever be convicted. The evidence was far stronger in favor of my assumption than any you are trying to bring to the table.
holden95,
Jun 22, 9:12am
Bad Police for making the limit 90.Ohh wait they dont.Im a sure the road authorities use a little bit more data in dictating a speed limit than YOUR indications
attitudedesignz,
Jun 22, 9:14am
If you eyes were "glued" to the speedo, then how did you see all the other stuff!
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 22, 9:15am
Just like the lobster in the pot you will find out when its too late. I would say a LOT of people have been caught accidentally speeding.
The last time I was caught I had my GPS set to warn me if I was speeding and was driving well under what I thought was the limit.
What caught me out was the inadequate and poorly positioned (so as to be obscured) signage from the side road I came out of into a brand new lowered speed area on a state highway.
I think you would be amazed how many people get caught accidentally speeding at the bottom of hills, in the middle of passing lanes etc when their eyes are where they should be "on the road" instead of trying to keep their speed within 1% on their speedometer.
Clearly we are not ready to make a move towards common sense and actual road safety as there are still "enablers" like yourself around, just too eager to swallow any nonsense propaganda that they are fed.
johnf_456,
Jun 22, 9:17am
Yep he doesn't like any one enforcing the law it seams.
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 22, 9:18am
Luckily my eyes were back up by the time the cop appeared as I had finished my passing maneuver and had slowed. I did have a dangerous amount of my attention focused on my speedometer during the passing maneuver though.
holden95,
Jun 22, 9:18am
SO now you are a speed detector expert.lol have heard it all from you now. Even with your eyes glued to the speedo haha. Been doing it nearly 20 years and even my estimation of speed is nearly always out according to the proper equipment but hey we will accept your GUESS Lol
smac,
Jun 22, 9:18am
Now THAT is funny. You've continually ranted about individual cases saying they are symptoms of a wider issue. Yet when those individual cases are shown to be in doubt you won't do the logical thing and realise that the wider issue is in doubt.
He's the real irony: I have some very serious concerns about the state of road policing. The methods and tactics they employ, and the legislative powers used to meet their ends. Believe me I am no NZ Police poster boy.
The difference between you and I is can look at a situation objectively, assess it logically, and come to logical conclusions. Whereas you're so wrapped up in the conclusions you've drawn you can't see the facts through the haze conspiracy theorist shite you're pumping out. When you see something you go about making it fit your model of corruption, rather than figuring out what is actually happening.
.and you've missed another question.
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 22, 9:19am
Yes and the fines don't go to the Police either. Its a co-ordinated effort of stupidity. (Much like the enablers on here, with their regurgitated nonsense propaganda)
holden95,
Jun 22, 9:21am
Hang on look out ya window Police are doing something and you are missing it. lol
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 22, 9:31am
I have no idea, judging by the dangerous actions of the Police officer yesterday I would say quite a few.
smac,
Jun 22, 9:33am
Nice deflection.
Anyway, that's the point. I don't know. But guess what! Neither do you, because you've made no attempt to find out.
It could be the number of fatalities, it could be the number of driveways and other intersections, it could be a number of things I am not qualified to comment on.
But here's what I DO know: the people who make the decisions on those speed limits and whether the presence of a patrol car is warranted know more about that stuff than me. Do they get it right all the time! Doubt it. I doubt they're perfect. I come across speed zones that completely baffle me all the time.
But I accept there will be some reasoning behind those decisions that I am not privy to. If I was concerned about the speed zone, or the presence of the cop I would go about finding out the reasoning, rather than leaping to conclusions.
In the one thread you've linked a driver being pulled over for an unknown reason to an unwarranted policy of revenue collection through fines to a degradation in road policing standards. All on subjective observation without one shred of evidence or objective reasoning.
I'm beginning to see you really aren't as clever as I thought you were. Pity, you showed promise.
attitudedesignz,
Jun 22, 9:38am
So that's more to do with peoples inability to drive properly than a van sitting on the side of the road then!
thejazzpianoma,
Jun 22, 9:40am
LMAO! Supurb bluster and deflection there. I like how my clear photo and first hand description are not "one shred of evidence".
Clearly there is some highly complicated and not at all obvious reason why a straight piece of 4 lane highway deserves a 90km/h zone with a Police car at the end of it. I certainly isn't fair of us mere mortals to speculate as to what that reason might be.
I have to go shortly, but thank you for your input.
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