Would yards normally have a staff member accompany the driver for a test drive of a wrx these days !
kcf,
Aug 9, 10:47am
Yes, they'd have somebody riding shotgun
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dave653,
Aug 9, 11:14am
They all are!
supernova2,
Aug 9, 5:03pm
Just to keep the pot boiling.Loacal plod called to a brewing street fight in main street of town.Less than 100mtrs from station.Turned up 4 days later.Yes thats right 4 days.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 9, 5:10pm
Its refreshing to see people waking up to whats going on behind the scenes. Thanks for sharing your stories friendly prawn and mrfixit.
If enough people do as you have we can hopefully reach a tipping point where the problem will be recognised for what it is. Then we can start implementing some measures to fix it.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 9, 5:22pm
I appreciate your response and am not belittling what you are saying by any means.
However I think the "lack of resources" thing is used as a scapegoat. The Police themselves seem to use this as a favorite line/excuse and it seems to have seeped into everyones psyche.
Here is the thing though, I don't think its a lack of resources or manpower at all. I think its a lack of organisation and systems and to a lesser degree too many inept Officers.
Consider the example I gave above. If you consider he was committing a crime on average ever second day, and had been for about 9 months. Even if only half of those crimes were reported and only 15 minutes of Police time was taken up on each report that would still be nearly two weeks of full time work wasted getting nowhere.
I managed to catch him the first time with none of the systems and clearances the Police had by spending the equivalent of two full time days work.
Now my figures there were super conservative yet they still demonstrate that by being better organised criminals can be apprehended with even less officer time than is available at present.
Plus, you have all sorts of flow on affects like people being more interested in reporting crime and helping the Police. A greater respect for the Police and criminals having less incentive to commit crime in the first place.
I will happily concede though that I think we do need extra resources on a temporary basis so that systems can be set up, people trained and some of the initial backlog cleared.
Its a bit odd in that you initially need more resources to get away with less resources in the longer term.
supernova2,
Aug 9, 5:45pm
It's a classic management syndrome.Spend hours and hours writing reports and justifying why you are so busy you can't do your work.Nobody reads the reports anyway.If they just get on with work then there wont be a need for the reports.Its chicken and egg and selffeeding.I know of one large gov't dept that got in the mire in one small part of the organisation (mainly due to staff churn).To sort it ten managers met one a day a week for six moths to "quantify" the problem.They then produced a 1500page report which was then sent to over 100 other Managers for comment.It was then binned.Thats say 3000 manhours that could have been spent doing the work which was the problem.I know as I was one of the 100.My comment was one line."Utter drival"
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 9, 6:00pm
+1
You are quite right, it certainly isn't limited to the Police. Its a big part of whyour rates bills are so high.
Its amazing how many people have management degrees and know all the latest advanced techniques yet lack any common sense at all. Which of course promptly renders their management training worse than useless.
supernova2,
Aug 9, 6:05pm
Don't start me on management degrees.The higher the qualification the less common sense and abilty.Remember the days when just about everyone had a BA (hons).Yep a qualification in bugga all.Now the qualifications have more letters than the holders names.
asa50,
Aug 9, 8:50pm
Some of the messages here have been very interesting. My experiences with the police have been mostly pretty good or at least reasonable. Many of the cops who I have met I have included on my lists of good bastards. Sure there are some pricks out there, in any large group thats a certainty. The odd prick cop may also be a good bastard as well, just jaded from exposure to the misery, sickness and evil that man kind is capable of. I am astonished that cops to not lose their minds and go on rampages more often. I am not say that this makes the experiences listed above right, its just how it is. The "going through the motions" comment is not limited to the police or even government departments, I work for a multinational and the BS that I have to go through to treat my customers right is mind bending. As for the police been broken, well not perfect for sure, but it can be a hell of a lot worse, my own colleagues and family members experiences overseas are mind numbing.
elect70,
Aug 10, 12:06pm
Plods got plenty of time forspeed patrols, 2 cars continually on desert rd
mrfxit,
Aug 10, 2:58pm
Most of the time, the police have been very helpful for me. . BUT, yea
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 10, 3:46pm
No one is saying there are not still some good Police on the force, nor am I saying they don't have a hard job.
However the fact remains that they are operating in a state of shambles. Likewise, having a really tough job does not give them an excuse to perform poorly.
The Police themselves should welcome some change that will not only make their job easier but will make it much more satisfying.
We have an opportunity to stop the spiral of collapse, where criminals are encouraged by a lack of consequences, and respect for the Police is dwindling among those whom they have failed.
Furthermore we have opportunity to take ownership of the problem and begin an intentional spiral of success. Once you start following through on cases and prioritising responses appropriately things just get easier and easier. More resources come available because you are not wasting time going nowhere, support and respect from the community grows, and criminals become discouraged from crime long before they become a serious problem. The job also becomes a lot more attractive to quality recruits and so the spiral continues to feed upon itself.
We are so very lucky to be in such a position that this could be a reality, very few countries have conditions so fertile for such a system to thrive.
Lets stop moaning and make our wants known, because once the problem is acknowledged we can start the exciting job ahead of continuous improvement. There are potentially so many tangible benefits for us all to enjoy once things are turned in the right direction.
friendly_prawn,
Aug 10, 3:51pm
You cant win Jazz. Not sure there is a fix for bureaucracy! Defintely when it comes to anything government thats for sure.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 10, 3:55pm
Now that's the attitude!
The thing is though, it can be done. I am not saying its going to be 100% perfect but it dosn't have to be. All we need to do is turn the tide, we have so many factors in our favour like being geographically isolated, well connected technologically and suitable resourced. Once you get things going in the right direction things should being to pick up momentum by themselves. (as explained above, you just have to start the spiral)
It is entirely possible for government departments to be efficient and do well, unfortunately though its the exception rather than the norm.
xs1100,
Aug 10, 6:11pm
i thought it was more a case of gathering the evidence and when they do finally catch them they go "plead guilty to these 3 and we ll drop these 4 " its more a pay off for quick turn around
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