police seem to have to limited resources and dont have any presence on our roads . read last weekend that 9 vehicles out of 100 on the road either have no rego and or wof, and with reduced chances of getting caught since the old b&w days hardly surprising . last weekend i drove auckland to tauranga and didnt see one, tauranga to taupo then back up tokoroa hamilton auckland on the monday only saw one with a victim near waiotapu , camera van along a stretch of straight road through forest before taupo and leaving one (maybe same van relocated) on a similarly straight stretch before atiamuri ( black spots ! i dont think so) and lastly one parked up past te rapa straight.
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 29, 8:32pm
They have a whole lot more presence on the roads than they do doing anything else. You should try ringing them and asking for a quick response to a serious crime, unless they think the media may be involved you are unlikely to get any help.
Its time there was an investigation into how many lives are lost because of Police stupidity or inaction. This needs to be balanced against possible lives saved on the roads through Police presence and a balance struck.
Sadly though like most Government departments, they actually have ample resources to get all jobs done, but can't organize themselves out of a damp paper bag.
rbjz,
Aug 29, 8:34pm
does that make sense!
thejazzpianoma,
Aug 29, 8:38pm
Incidentally, the rego and wof thing is a sign of the times and poor legislation. There are a lot of family's in NZ that are barely scraping by. Unfortunately its very hard to do without a car in this country in many areas. Because vehicle licensing is now very costly and with it stupidly being linked to the WOF system many cars cannot get a WOF because people can't afford to pay the licensing. This compounds the problem, then they get ticketed a massive amount and things just spiral out of control.
Which leads to another issue, if we could just opt out of ACC completely and select a private alternative things like vehicle licensing would become affordable again. Its absolutely pointless paying a huge premium for government insurance that dosn't even pay out in many cases when you need it anyway.
big.b-lil.c,
Aug 29, 8:52pm
we pay for the police via our tax's why should we have to pay for more via our rates! it would mean a rate rise for sure! or would the council traffic cops have to turn a profit from the tickets issued! if it's the later they will issue tickets for minor things that don't deserve them.
bmwnz,
Aug 29, 9:05pm
So maybe, when you phone 111 you should mention that a TV crew is already on the way!
bmwnz,
Aug 29, 9:15pm
Now see what you've done - you stimulated a thought. LOL. So there is a % of cars on our roads with neither wof, nor rego! So what can be done about it! Here's a thought (not exactly a practical thought, but watch this space when the govt starts thinking ~ I think we're safe LOL) ~ maybe they'll introduce a system whereby you have to pass a scan on your car's VIN (would need to relocate the VINs to a barcode near the fuel cap) before you get petrol. Think about it. No rego/wof, failed scan, no fuel.
bmwnz,
Aug 29, 9:22pm
Really! I hadn't heard about that.
sr2,
Aug 29, 9:33pm
Anyone else getting the impression that people can't remember what it was like when MOT traffic cops ruled the roads!
bitsy_boffin,
Aug 29, 11:11pm
Err, you have that backwards.WOF first, then licence.
bitsy_boffin,
Aug 29, 11:12pm
So where do I find the VIN on my mower!
robotix1970,
Aug 30, 1:03am
was that steach of road called "the fitzgerald everglades"
pollymay,
Aug 30, 1:30am
Besides all of that not having WOF or rego doesn't mean the car is unsafe. I'm consistently amazed at the number of people that I cannot get that through to them. And also I see it as one thing to have the rego on hold and another to have it expired cause if it is expired but not on hold you pay the backpay anyway so what is the fine for! I mean if the fine was wiped when you got rego in that circumstance but they don't. Seem to try drill into your head that you are doing some huge wrong when it's just not like that.
A certifier I know had a party and I went. We had a discussion about VIN fraud and what not then we started talking about this. His short answer was he couldn't give a toss about some of the VTNZ warrants cause he would rather ride with the pedantic old guy with no warrant that checks his tyres everyday and inspects the cars regular. And I agree, I know people who will turn up with half flat tyres and I'll point it out and they;ll go "yeah but i got a warrant".oooook then. Driver's responsibility. You'd also have to justify the extra cost of more police with get this, more tickets. They'd be hauling people up on more pedantic crap much like now only in greater numbers, the number of unlicensed/unWOFd is actually quite small
bent_ate,
Aug 30, 3:38am
Sounds like a good job for the Maori Wardens
klrider,
Aug 30, 5:35am
You should do somehtign about it, being an expert n all.
noswalg,
Aug 30, 6:47am
My lawnmower has no wof/rego how would I mow my lawns! Could prove a problem for those wanting to go fishing too!
drog,
Aug 30, 7:02am
On the basis of your comments we might as well do away with registrations and warrants completely.
cocabowla,
Aug 30, 7:36am
well i'm on invalids benefit and i've been able to keep my car up to date with both, even when the previous 3 wofs required spending of over $300 in complying repairs. its not up to the state to mollycoddle for folk who cant forward plan budget
cocabowla,
Aug 30, 7:38am
ummm jazz , have you seen police 10/7 were they waste many hours with drunken morons in all types of scenarios ! ( and then they get slapped on the hand with a sloppy bus ticket if anything by the court)
cocabowla,
Aug 30, 7:45am
who said anything about them being unsafe !
drog,
Aug 30, 8:08am
Your comment ducks the issue of registration fees, which is the principal beef in this thread. It is not cheap in Australia either. Wof checks are cheap in NZ.
drog,
Aug 30, 8:32am
Whether the demerit points are equitably distributed is a red herring. It will make no difference if they are accrued via Wof infringements.
cocabowla,
Aug 30, 10:24am
back to the original question, rego & wof was just an example.
as for extra rates well i'd think they would be quite self sufficient in that they would get the money for their own coffers,they wouldnt neccessarily need commodores for the suburban streets where they could easily opt for 2L cars and have a stock of plain mufti jap import type cars.
rob_man,
Aug 30, 10:27am
The last time we had City Council traffic cops they ended up behaving like the mayor's private army and were disbanded after a few incidents involving excessive use of force. They got a bit out of hand.
franc123,
Aug 30, 10:49am
I guess this whole debate comes down to do we want traffic enforcement officers in the command of local or central government!Take time over your answer, after reading this thread and recollecting the historical behaviour of local traffic cops I can't decide what would be worse.Local govt certainly aren't any less greedy re securing an income stream from fines thats for sure.
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