And to have them come out and blatantly lie, saying "we dont hide our cameras" then not be able to explain why the camera moved. I hope all tickets from that camera become invalid.
Remember that speed enforcement is as much about prevention as it is correction. If they really wanted the speed to be lowered then they would paint the vans and stationary in bright paint jobs with safety messages on them, and only operate them in black spots, high risk areas (high accident risk, not high chance of catching speeders), and have sign posts in the general area saying "this is a high accident risk area, speed enforcement may be taking place"
To the haters, you gotta hate I know but opinion is it is not the speed, speeding that causes trauma, it is the inappropriate use of speed. For example I never speed past schools, too much risk and unpredictability. On a back road where traffic is light and visibility is good, I don't have safety concerns about exceeding the limit by 10-20km/h
morrisman1,
Sep 4, 2:00pm
And if that wasn't enough for you, here is something unforgivingly disgusting. This person needs shot
I am really really disssapointed in you posting that morrisman. You just made me throw up all over my keyboard. Now I gotta go buy a new one.
darryl,
Sep 5, 1:40pm
Big whoop
It's a non issue if you don't speed.
sifty,
Sep 5, 1:48pm
Yeah but,
if they are really serious about slowing people down, they will make them visible. That way, people know to keep within the limit in a certain area.
All a hidden camera will do is send out fines after the event. I'm sure that is a lot of comfort to someone who loses a loved one to a speeding driver.
'It's ok missus, we sent them a fine after we took a snap of them drifting at 90km/h in a 50 zone 5 minutes before they killed your husband".
doctor_evil99,
Sep 5, 1:49pm
I used to own a Fiat Mulitpla diesel - i wish it was that sporty looking!
allan_mac,
Sep 5, 3:33pm
Are you happy to accept a fine for being caught speeding 10-20km/h above the limit!
You could justify it to yourself by accepting that the fine is what you pay for driving 10-20km/h above the limit, if you are such a good driver.
There's no issue of course if you don't exceed the limit.
smac,
Sep 5, 3:39pm
The THEORY is, knowing there could be a hidden camera out there gets you to slow down. Knowing there is a camera X metres along Y road makes you slow down past that single point.
That's the theory anyway. Which doesn't explain the denial. I reckon if they're gonna do it (another topic) they should just come out and say "yeah that's right, we hide cameras, deal with it". But they don't. They hide them, then deny it. Weird.
marblicious,
Sep 5, 3:52pm
C'mon! If they came out and said "Yes we hide speed cameras and the only real reason we haave speed cameras is to gather revenue (ok we probably save a few lives by mistake)". What would we have to moan about!
pollymay,
Sep 5, 3:57pm
Why do they keep bringing up the number of cameras in victoria! Victoria is a hole
thejazzpianoma,
Sep 5, 4:06pm
That's the thing though, the Police are all about smoke and mirror's PR spin. What gets me is how blatant they are, is the public at large really so stupid as to accept the nonsense in this story about the camera not being hidden!
What about the absurd excuses for statistics they try and use on T.V, that an intermediate school child would be reprimanded for if they used them in Maths class!
Its time that the Police had to adhere to some sort of code of truthfulness, like private companies do with the fair trading act. If they had to do that the first thing to go would be the blatant lies where they tell you its a 4km/h tolerance when it can be as low as 1km/h.
To those that say "don't speed and you don't have a problem" well I have several problems actually.
1. I want my tax dollars spent on actual road safety.
2. This sort of nonsense is eroding people faith in the Police which is a bad thing.
3. EVERYONE speeds at some point (technically speaking) and its this sort of hiding at the bottom of hills pinging people for 1km/h over the limit that people are getting caught doing. Its only a matter of time before you start getting tickets yourself.
Anyhow, clearly from the sort of non-thinking responses above the PR nonsense and social manipulation is sucking in plenty. Such a shame that there are so many weak minds in this country.
ozz1,
Sep 5, 4:08pm
thatroad into and out of nelson. SH1.!.hasabout 3 or 4 different speed limits.100kms down to 80km back up to 100 kms. back down to 80 kms passing lane. and down to 50 kms by the school.NO wonder the speed camera sits along it. its just a given.whom ever cut the trees down. (which actually block vision) should have cut them all down.
dr.doolittle,
Sep 5, 4:09pm
Ohhhhh Pleeeeeeaaaasssee tell us more unkle Jaz.
austingtir,
Sep 5, 4:18pm
They think whatever the great state of Victoria does is a good idea and blindly copy whatever they come up with.The guy that cut that bush up deserves a medal.Id actually be happy to chip in and pay somebody to go around doing that kind of vigilante justice.
thejazzpianoma,
Sep 5, 4:25pm
Those are a real favorite for this sort of nonsense.
Its like that dual carriageway I posted a while back with the cop sitting at the end, it used to be 100, and its on a stretch of state highway that now flicks between 100 and 90. Its just blatant revenue gathering and I just can't understand how people can't understand that.
Its time that we demanded all state highways be maintained to 100km/h standard and be signposted as such. The only exceptions being pre-existing gorges etc where its not economical to improve them and these would have to have a special exemption.
Its a shame, if the roads were just Policed with common sense and fairness we wouldn't need to push for rule changes and guidelines. Its pathetic.
I also fail to see why people are not outraged that our Police are deliberately misleading and untruthful, even in the media. Its essential that they are unscrupulously honest, we shouldn't be tolerating publicly deceitful behavior from them. What sort of message does that send!
bcbuilding,
Sep 5, 4:30pm
fixed it for ya.
thejazzpianoma,
Sep 5, 4:37pm
No, if our roads are driven with common sense you are likely to wind up with plenty of tickets.
For example, common sense would say when passing you keep your eyes on the road and your foot well down to get past as quickly as possible.
That dosn't work with Mr Plod's 1km/h tolerance for often already low speed limits.
Now when towing if I pull over to let people past I end up with all sorts of dangerous nonsense as people try and creep past me or refuse to pass me at all, annoying those behind them.
bcbuilding,
Sep 5, 4:44pm
It is not merely blatant revenue gathering, it is also an intelligence test.
I just can't understand how people can't understand that.
thejazzpianoma,
Sep 5, 4:53pm
If you understood a little about how the brain works when driving, you would understand that changing a state highway from 100, to constantlyalternating 90/100's will catch out the intelligent and feeble minded alike.
afer_daily,
Sep 5, 5:02pm
simple solution . if you see a cammera van hiding in amongst the trees / you whips out your chain saw and drops a tree on it .
thejazzpianoma,
Sep 5, 5:13pm
Perhaps instead of claiming the wind based on it being a deity, Ngapuhi could instead put their efforts into having the camera's removed on the grounds that speed camera photographs might steal their soul!
bcbuilding,
Sep 5, 5:49pm
Thanks for supporting my point of view.Assuming your vehicle/trailer combo is capable, you could easily and safely travel with the speed of the traffic you are in. You admit that instead, you would rather take actions that contribute to all sorts of dangerous nonsense.Some common sense here would be helpful wouldn't it!
Or is your argument that because the police can be so anal about speed, you will be too!
Jazz - you get so, what's the word - compulsive! about police revenue gathering that I don't really want to argue with you - you've got nothing new to add - in fact you are already resorting to trolling offensive statements -and I have no interest in further indulging you in your obsession.
morrisman1,
Sep 5, 6:03pm
Trailer speed limit: 90 km/h Normal speed limit: 100 km/h
A law abiding citizen would no exceed the trailer speed limit and consequently may be travelling slower than the flow of traffic.
Or you could break the trailer speed limit and go with the flow
Which one are you!
bigfatmat1,
Sep 5, 6:14pm
Are speed cameras allowed to be hidden! I had a speed ticket in a apparent school zone. bottom of a overbridge 53km/h very vague camera location on ticket. I knew where it was from photo. Was a Saturday and was not a school zone I take it thats why the camera location was vague obviousley these operators are dishonest.they tried the school sports trick. on which day there was no school sports. I did get off still pissed off none the less
pge,
Sep 5, 6:25pm
Frankly, I prefer Jazz's point of view.
The MAXIMUM speed for a trailer is 90KPH, yet you are expecting him to break the Law by driving at 100KPH!
The roads are full of numpties who are SOOO anal about exceeding 100KPH to overtake, they are that way because, like you, they have bought the BS about speed killing.
I can actually admit, on Monday, I actually drove through intersections against red lights.
I was also travelling comfortably at 130KPH, and was waved on by Police.
What I was doing is quite legal -- I was under lights and sirens at the time.
I DO, however, have vastly severe implications if anything goes wrong.
My ERD training has so far taken six months, I have had my pre-course training and evaluation, my written tests and external evaluation, and am now into my probationary period.
I am currently only able to drive under light'n'sirens if I have a senior, ERD-qualified Officer with me
I am noticing, my driving has become more considered, cautious, and deliberate.
ONE point has been impressed upon me -- break the rules, and I will be downgraded faster than flame down a petrol-trail.
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