here is one i had today . Went to get some diesel for my car pulled out and there was a opel or holden vectra and my trained eye spotted loads of greeen coolant under the cars engine where it had parked i, jumped out quick look jes was dripping coolant . women came out , and i told her you should not drive your car as it is loosing all the coolant and is about to blow up. went straight over the top of her head behaved like i wanted to mug her or something so i left and seen her pull in to the carwash. I guessshe be sueing somone also for having to walk now cause i bet she drives till it stops. but hey she got the car clean wahooo
cowlover,
Sep 25, 4:05pm
From what's been said if I were the dealer I'd be lodging an appeal.
stevo2,
Sep 25, 4:24pm
Why dont manufacturers have a warning light AS WELL AS a temp. gauge. Then you'd have to be pretty f**en dumb not to notice it overheating
intrade,
Sep 25, 4:24pm
vw audi have that
splinter67,
Sep 25, 4:29pm
If they dont notice the gauge whats a light going to do
intrade,
Sep 25, 4:32pm
they also think a wof is servicing the car.
mantagsi,
Sep 25, 5:16pm
Good point, but a bright red light flashing on the dash certainly gets attention well (ie; mk2 golfs etc)
boat3,
Sep 25, 5:29pm
there are a few thing missing here,what sort of car,and the age price paid ect,i guess the time it took to do 1700 km is a factor,tricky, a car in good condition should do 1700 km without alot of trouble,theres a few yards that specialise in high k tarted up shitters for top money,then run for the hills when something go`s wrong.not really fair in my opinion.
bitsy_boffin,
Sep 25, 5:56pm
We can hopefully all agree that it is not reasonable to expect that the cooling system would fail after 1700km.
How often does an average person consciously look at your temperature gauge (especially if driving on the open road), is it reasonable that in the period between the times they look at it, the coolant could be lost out the bottom and the temperature rise rapidly.I would say that an average person looks at the gauge infrequently.
I believe it is therefore reasonable that the driver would not *notice* the cooling issue until the engine damage is done and further that an *average* person driving the vehicle would reasonably do the same.
For this reasoning, I think I would agree with the ruling.
snoopy221,
Sep 25, 7:04pm
Nowadays Those that are *up with the play*
Would understand bottom hose thermostated engines and plastic tanked radiators.
20 years ago anyone would look at it as got hot AND ENGINE SIEZED! wtf! Dealers fault. Personaly i'd say buyer got lucky.
stevo2,
Sep 25, 7:26pm
Maybe a compromise might have been in order. Dealer pays for radiator as it failed shortly after purchase, customer pays for damage to motor forcontinuing to drive on an overheating engine.
franc123,
Sep 25, 7:37pm
Familia was it! If its the model I'm thinking of it should have been obvious to the trained eye that the radiator tank was on the way out, you can see the stress cracks in them.
tigra,
Sep 26, 6:06am
It seems to be in line with some other recent decisions. Seems the MTDT is putting more onus on the dealers to ensure that vehicles are very fully checked. Mind you there are probably other facts not fully represented in the case description.
rpvr,
Sep 26, 8:39am
My partner's Toyota Vitz has no temperature gauge at all. When you first turn the key on, a little green thermometer symbol comes up, then goes out as the car warms up. Presumably it will come on as a warning if the car overheats, but who knows! Worries me a bit. It's not very obtrusive and would be quite easy to overlook.
kazbanz,
Sep 26, 10:18am
When you first turn the key you'll see a bunch of red lights. One being a little red thermometer. Thats the overheat warning light
beno,
Sep 26, 11:14am
Most women do not have any understanding of how cars work and lets be honest have even less perception of what goes wrong, my wife only knows where to put the petrol in and her BFF hangs her handbag off the indicator stalk on her bmw. Did the lady ask the dealer for a " reliable car". I hardly think 1700k's is far enough to be deemed reliable. however, I have also been in a car as a passenger on the motorway where the female driver was doing 120 in 2nd gear (auto) oblivious to the screaming engine.
patiki1,
Sep 26, 11:33am
My wifes radiator blew(plastic one)and the amount of steam that came out was huge.She pulled over and fast as she could and turn the motor off without me saying a thing.Even the on coming traffic stopped for us.Some people are so dumb.
kazbanz,
Sep 26, 12:21pm
Hey I believe without question that the dealer should bay for the replacement tank. -as ya'll say 1700km isn't reasonable. But the damage caused by continuing to drive. That beggars belief
elect70,
Sep 26, 1:32pm
tna do nogood" the lights were all red on the dash thats good isnt it " the lady said
rpvr,
Sep 26, 5:15pm
Yes, I don't understand why car manufacturers don't make the warning systems more obtrusive, especially in this electronic age when the circuitry involved would cost next to nothing. As you say, a bright flashing light is good, but an audible alarm as well would be even better.
zephyrheaven,
Sep 26, 5:27pm
I think its totally bull
They are banging on about year or whatever WOF's - but when accountability for ones own actions are in question its a witch hunt every time & someone is to blame that is usually so out of line its not funny - let alone the driving public actually look at their own tyres LOL dont make me laugh
Weird little country we are becoming, noticing a lot more 'experts in their field' with foreign tongues on the news every day telling us what works in their locale so we should follow suit
Hmmm
Watch this space Id say
patiki1,
Sep 26, 5:28pm
Like a big red flashing light on the dash saying,"if you see steam pissing out of the Radiator stop driving you dumb ass."
2cheap2,
Sep 26, 6:08pm
As a licensed car trader with 100 percent positive feedback i am horrified to think that a driver can drive a car with it over heating and not give a shit.Then to blamethe car dealer.,Unreal.So so so wrong.
tigra,
Sep 27, 7:06am
By the time you see steam coming out from under the bonnet it is probably too late.
raymond00001,
Sep 27, 7:25am
Not everyone is a seasoned driver who will pick up on the early subtle signs of a mechanical failure. She'd only just bought it so it fits the category of goods not fit for the purpose as its had a failure in its first journey. It's easy to be distracted and once that water pumped itself out the engine would be suffering major damage pretty quick even if it had been stopped before seizing. 1700km of driving means it would have done some decent hillclimbs along the way too. What sort of car btw! If that was your grandma/wife/daughter would you be telling the dealer sweet as it was her fault! If I'd bought it and even stopped as soon as it happened I'd still want a refund, who wants to own a car they know has been overheated given how tight the tolerances are in modern engines!
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