Roundabouts, why are so many confused over how to

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smac, Sep 18, 2:18pm
Ahhh.I see why you're confused, and the others are frustrated. You have this bit completely wrong.

skin1235, Sep 18, 2:22pm
are you sure it is me who is confused

I'm going to borrow faitracers linkhttp://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-roundabouts.html
have a glance at the last diagram, and tell me how that differs from what I described - that is the law, and it is no less confusing to have the word directly above it say you should not indicate then the diagram saying you should

sifty, Sep 18, 2:24pm
Lets all make up our own rules then.

smac, Sep 18, 2:27pm
If I understand you correctly, you are saying if you are going through a (for example) 4 way round about, and you are going straight through (i.e the second exit) you indicate right. Is that right!

Yet in the link you just posted, it says:

If you are going 'straight' through a roundabout:

don't signal as you come up to the roundabout
signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take. At some small roundabouts it may not be possible to give three seconds warning, but it is courteous to give as much indication as you can.

The actual law is here (5 and 6):
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303071.html!search=ta_regulation_L_ac%40bc%40rc%40acur%40anif%40bcur%40rinf%40rnifan%40bn%40rn_resel_50_h&p=1

As you'll see, you are only supposed to indicate right if going MORE than half way around.

skin1235, Sep 18, 2:28pm
don't get too out of shape about it smac, teaching me the right from wrong will have very little effect other than on other readers
I travel approx 25-30k km per year, and in those 25-30k km I would see a roundabout perhaps 10 times, most of my travel is single or lane and a half back road asphalt or shingle, or worse, greasy clay with no shingle at all

skin1235, Sep 18, 2:29pm
then I ask you again to check that last diagram ( where the exit is indicated on a straight through intent)

skin1235, Sep 18, 2:31pm
so if I follow the rules, and you think they are different, who is in the wrong, who's insurance company is going to get irate

smac, Sep 18, 2:32pm
Yeeeees, the one showing both the red and blue car indicating left, and neither indicating right!

skin1235, Sep 18, 2:39pm
I don't indicate right at all in that circumstance, I suggested where there is a car entering on my left I consider I should to let him know I'm about to pass in front of him
I do indicate left as the diagram shows

it is obviously difficult to explain properly - I thought we were doing okay but obviously not
and the point made re do not indicate if travelling straight through is confused even more by guidance diagrams telling us when to indicate and the wording say we don't have to - so which is right

smac, Sep 18, 2:43pm
OK now I'm completely confused. I thought the others were having a go at you for indicating right when going straight, so I asked you to clarify and I thought you confirmed that's what you did.

SO I have no idea what anyone here is on about. You're all wrong ;)

Not sure on the last bit either; about the diagrams and wording disagreeing!

skin1235, Sep 18, 2:49pm
that was my fault perhaps, I suggested I was considering using the right indicater as entering if I was going to pass infront of any vehicle entering from my left - as a means to tell him that intent - I've been close to taking out a few drivers doors of inpatient drivers who I can only guess think my lack of indication ( straight through intent) means I'm going to turn left or magically avoid them in their haste to end their journey

skin1235, Sep 18, 2:50pm
as for the last bit- the road code shows a left turn indicated on a straight through intent after the first entry, ( that last diagram) yet the wording says no indication required

smac, Sep 18, 2:53pm
It says no indication as you approach the round about, then indicate once you are past the first exit.It doesn't say no indication required.

morrisman1, Sep 18, 3:09pm
Down in invercargill the roading manager guy has an obsession with narrow lanes coming up to roundabouts, formed by big concrete kerbs. The way he has got them angled is such that if you are turning right at the roundabout, as you enter the roundabout your right indicator will flick off.

Pain in the arse and I don't always notice it happening and hence go around without indicating.

People behind desks have to justify their jobs somehow aye

zetec, Sep 18, 3:16pm
Drivers who indicate right and go left or straight through are a nuisance at a roundabout, but people who indicate left as they enter the roundabout and then go either straight through or turn right are dangerous, almost as bad are those who don't indicate at all and proceed to turn right. When I am motorcycling I trust no-one at a round about as the consequences of someone doing the above to me are worse than when I am in a car. My other pet hate are the arrogant u-turners who scream around a roundabout to exit where they entered. Even if they indicate right, it is still not an expected move.

skin1235, Sep 18, 3:16pm
the driver about to enter on the left has to wait until I have either gone left or driven in front of him before he can be sure of my intent, cos if he thinks my lack of signal means he has to give way to me (straight through)and I then wake up and turn left he is going to be pi**ed,

this is what happens too often

skin1235, Sep 18, 3:20pm
what are they meant to do - they have to indicate intent to go left, some are a bit quick getting the left indicater on - and that confuses the poor bugga entering from the left

honestly, its getting so you just throw your hazzards on, close your eyes and drive by braile - one bumps means keep on going with eyes closed, two means you best open one of them to avoid the 3rd bump

whqqsh, Sep 18, 3:39pm
I get an especially nasty one at the bottom of Queenstown/Pah rd, Onehunga, theres a roundabout that leads onto the motorway & coming down the hill many cars indicate early for the motorway (their 2nd left) without taking into account the road around the waterfront (their first left). Quite a few times Ive nearly pulled out on an oncoming indicating car, then other times been careful & waited only to have them correctly turn left & Ive missed a gap on a busy roundabout.

kcc55a, Sep 18, 3:55pm
Dont tell us tell him!

cowgal2, Sep 18, 4:43pm
what be good idea if they do it correctly themselves

headcat, Sep 18, 5:00pm
what he said.

nzdoug, Sep 18, 5:21pm
Trying to make the traffic flow gets every one faster than the guy just that tries to his own car go.
He is a jerk because he creates one.

therafter1, Sep 18, 5:24pm
Lol .well what else can ya say!

therafter1, Sep 18, 5:25pm
I shoulda quoted it lol

zetec, Sep 18, 6:40pm
what are they meant to do - they have to indicate intent to go left, some are a bit quick getting the left indicater on - and that confuses the poor bugga entering from the left

The key is to only indicate left on entering the roundabout if you intend to take the first exit left. If going straight through, no indicator on entering, then as a courtesy indicate left immediately before the exit you are taking, but if it is a small roundabout it is often better not to indicate at all. if you are turning right, indicate right on entering the roundabout, then indicate left immediately before the exit you are taking. It is simple if you think about it logically, and with accurate indicating the traffic can flow at the roundabout.