Fair point. Unless I am mistaken, I cannot recall when Government actually told the story to motorists of why a WoF is important and what's involved. They have spent plenty of telling you what happens if you don't get one, and they have fined a fair few people without them, but the educational side has been noticeably absent.
themta,
Oct 12, 10:14am
I hope other people are not just prepared to accept extra deaths and injuries to save some money as you seem to be. Clearly you are hoping that you are not one of Government's predicted extra fatalities!
Our fleet is aging rapidly, not getting younger. Average age of cars here is now 13.6 years and will be around 14 in a few months. The risk is growing not getting less.
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 12, 10:28am
This is the sort of flawed emotional logic that the MTA are playing on. Its easy to get excited at the prospects of more people dieing.
However, the reality of the situation is we simply can't afford to wipe peoples bottom's to the point that there are no deaths or injuries. No country can, its a fact of life.
What you have to do is decide the best use of the money you have to save as many lives as possible without ruining everyone's quality of life.
For example, say increasing WOF's to 12 months meant 20 more people a year lost their lives in motor vehicle accidents. However, the money saved if invested in say funding cancer drugs saved 40 lives per year.
Would it not make sense to do that!
Also, I don't think you understand the concept of an aging fleet. The average age of vehicles on our roads may well be getting older. However the manufacturing date of these vehicles is not going to magically change, in other words my 2007 Punto is not going to magically be a 2006 Punto one morning when I wake up.
So all the aging fleet is going to do to safety improvements is slow the safety improvements slightly. Even if the fleet ages a couple more years its not going to slow the safety revolution very much at all.
So what you said about the risk growing is completely and utterly wrong, with regard to the safety revolution (newer safer cars spreading through the fleet) at most the rate of safety increase can slow, but it absolutely cannot reverse and get worse.
The only other possible safety issue with an aging fleet is the more worn, worse maintained parts argument.
ct9a,
Oct 12, 11:09am
when i read this it all sounds a bit silly read what you wrote and have a think over a beer.the point then reason each time is err.
bjmh,
Oct 12, 11:16am
someone must have hit a nerve,check themta profile
kiwirod,
Oct 12, 11:33am
LOL .bet he's not here to buy or sell anything
mopsy3,
Oct 12, 11:38am
Good idea. Cut back to bare basics. Change the WOF laws. Save Joe average $50 bucks a year on the 6 month WOF he wont need. Watch people, and Kiwis are notoriously poor car maintainers, crash and either injure themselves or others. What will go up! ACC! Where will the public feel the rise in ACC!Vehicle registration. Yes, I can see the public saving heaps of money now.
mopsy3,
Oct 12, 11:40am
Jazz, if the public cant afford a newer, safer car now, what makes you think they can afford one in the near future! BTW, the prices of newer, safer cars will rise as demand grows. That's how dealers work.
mopsy3,
Oct 12, 11:43am
MOG. There is no comment to make on this. Is it a puzzle!
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 12, 11:48am
LMAO! I was a bit slow, if the name hadn't been an obvious giveaway the flawed logic should have been!
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 12, 11:51am
Actually, if I remember correctly from the submission website the projections accounted for the increase in ACC and still had a significant net savings.
Sure the projections are not likely to be overly accurate but the numbers looked like they had a fair bit of leeway.
Everyone seems to forget that pretty much every other country is doing just fine with 12 month or longer inspections, including our closest (significant) neighbor.
bjmh,
Oct 12, 11:53am
thats why i pay $900 a year to be a member so they can troll public forums !
Well call me a nark if ya want, but i just had a bitch to TM 'bout "themta".
Let's see if their membership stays intact, Joining TM just to get on the motoring message board and espouse their propaganda is a bit 'on the nose' if ya ask me.
martincj,
Oct 12, 2:12pm
The last time i got a WoF i seem to remember the form having disclaimers all over it stating that a WoF was not a assurance of safety. There are so many other factors regarding deaths on our roads i find it hard to believe that stretching WoF time to 1 year will change much of anything. Drink/drug driving and lack of basic driving skills will always be far greater issues.
Finally, Mr MTA, i never saw Mr murphy in school but i do remember at that age when a 40+ yr old man stood up and told us what we should do very few cared. Its a nice little PR weapon but i doubt it effectiveness.
rsr72,
Oct 12, 2:15pm
Murph cluching at income straws as career slows!
bjmh,
Oct 12, 2:16pm
similar to the previous poster neverl8 he seems to be pushing a dodgy barrow.
mokaubach,
Oct 12, 2:19pm
Who says Murphy has any credibility on this subject anyway!.
roberto9,
Oct 12, 5:07pm
IMO the MTA are taking a short term view motivated purely by the $$$ they think they will lose. If, as they claim 50% (NZTA 25-30%) of cars need repairs to pass, how many might then fail if the period between inspections increases to 12 months or whatever. By their own logic it would have to be a great deal more, so why don't they stop bleating and perhaps put some effort into getting folks to be responsible for volutarily regular servicing, rather than rely on a compulsory one!
lookoutas,
Oct 12, 7:50pm
My classic does about 1500 miles/year - the normal car does about 10K, and my trailer does 3 trips to the dump. Both of my cars can easily fit into a 12 month regime, and the trailer might just get a WOF put on it if the period was extended to 12 months.
My vote is for 12 months, but I wouldn't like to see the process scrapped altogether.
If I was to revert back to where I was doing 70 hard K/year, I would be quite happy if it stayed at 6 months, and as the trailer was quite often flailing around off the back end of the car, it was always kept up to date.
alan1111,
Oct 12, 8:34pm
Dont have to be a MTA member to get authority to issue wof. I not a member of MTA waste of money all you get in return is a subscription to the Radiator magazine. I aint lost business because not a member.
gastirling,
Oct 12, 10:22pm
Cure what! If you are never late you will come early!
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bjmh,
Oct 13, 5:37am
you did when i started issueing wof in the dark ages.you're right though.not now.
patiki1,
Oct 13, 6:02am
Keep wof every 6 months,cut the Vehicle Registration costs.
pfemstn,
Oct 13, 6:19am
i support the MTA,6mths wofshould stay! to often i get classics in that have only travelled a couple of hundred miles since there last wof,, but fail with brake problems or similar issues. the owners always say its only done a few miles since the last wof so it should fly thru! Yeh Rightwehave got a good system why change it!
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