With the propaganda campaign moving up a gear, if you'll excuse the expression, they are now resorting to complete untruths and unsubstantiated claims in order to try and sway public opinion. Although now at least they have now revealed their financial involvement with VTNZ. http://www.handsoffthewof.co.nz/our-campaign.html
50% off all cars need repairs to pass WOF! Wrong, the fail rate according to NZTA is actually 25-30%, much of which is for minor issues.
8-10% of all injury and fatal crashes are caused by vehicle defects! Wrong, it cannot be proven it is more than 5%
I know its been done to death already in other threads but can you believe what is being resorted to here! Anyone associated with this outfit needs to be asking themselves why.The have your say page is a great read in itself, it isn't having the desired effect I don't think lol.
zephyrheaven,
Oct 11, 6:58pm
I didnt join the MTA when I started, lots of people looked at me like I was avoiding something - I am, being tarred with a brush of morons in charge of desks not spanners.
sandypheet,
Oct 11, 7:07pm
The MTA own VTNZ,common knowledge I thought.Regardless of any campain the govt will make changes as it likes but it will however not save Johnny motorist a cracker.They have just bought in a raft of charges for handing in plates,lable reprints etc,so are sublimely extracting a few more dollars in other ways.
rob_man,
Oct 11, 7:24pm
Agree with the OP but I still think the status quo is best for reasons other than those invented by MTA. Their figures don't match those from other sources quoted in the Herald which state 0.5% of injury/fatals are directly caused by faults without giving any indication of what percentage of those actually had a WOF. I think the safety argument is specious and MTA would be better to follow a different approach, even try honesty as a last resort. I believe a yearly inspection would result in more older cars ending up on the scrapheap because of the cost of fixing twelve months worth of attrition instead of six months. This doesn't make sense to me, I'm a great believer in keeping vehicles in serviceable condition for as long as possible to offset the environmental premium extracted by their initial manufacture. As for the crash safety angle, don't crash and it's not an issue.
incar.,
Oct 11, 7:25pm
Also not a MTA member, lost a little bit of work but while hopless mechanics running businesses on the back of the Mta's name i choose not to be apart of it.
rob_man,
Oct 11, 7:35pm
When I had a crash repair shop I shied away from any business associations and didn't even think about having lost work because of it. I was happy to not have to deal with the type of people who buy into the myths, they generally make for awkward customers.
franc123,
Oct 11, 7:36pm
Common knowledge in the motor trade, far less known by the public. Everyone I've spoken to outside the trade, and even a few inside,since the public submissions opened about three weeks ago didn't know. It did however make them understand why they are behaving in this way. You are right in that it probably won't make a scrap of difference re which way the pollies will vote on it.
kiwirod,
Oct 11, 9:14pm
Does Greg Murphy even live in NZ ! So he's not even subject to the WOF system is he.
franc123,
Oct 11, 10:10pm
Hmm, it'd be interesting to know why he thinks a rigid inspection twice a year is neccessary here when in several states of the country he spends most of his working life in don't consider that periodic vehicle inspections are needed at all.
incar.,
Oct 11, 10:29pm
Financial interest perhaps
rozendaal,
Oct 11, 10:45pm
No vehicle inspections in Tasmania unless you go on Special Interest category or let your rego run out
edangus,
Oct 11, 10:48pm
Bet he aint paid for a WOF in a decade or more.
mopsy3,
Oct 12, 6:02am
The fact that you all quote that it is small amounts of accidents caused by vehicle faults actually proves that the current WOF system works.These percentages will soon rise when it is changed.
rotormotor7,
Oct 12, 6:18am
Well he sounds like an aussie wheneverhe opens his mouth LOL
sifty,
Oct 12, 6:46am
as soon as I saw that whinging, dummy spitting plonker murphy I knew I would be against whatever he was peddling.
chebry,
Oct 12, 6:54am
WOF inspections are a nice little earner for MTA menbers they can see having to do real work if the govt sees sense and dumps the wof system
themta,
Oct 12, 7:54am
The important thing here are the facts.
First, Murph. He has been working with MTA on the Murph in Schools Programme for the last five years. He does this because he is concerned about the risks young drivers face on the roads. He??
sifty,
Oct 12, 8:00am
The important things here are the facts.
$$$$$$$$
bjmh,
Oct 12, 8:22am
when i first started my workshop i couldn't buy trade parts without joining M.T.Avery different now,i'm still a member due to W.O.F authority but top tier of mta are out of touch with the real world,as for the wof debate i'm worried that the government has a hidden agenda,do we remember how Judith Tizard reinvented the wheel with her life changing anti-smoke bill for vehicles.what a waste of time that was.
ct9a,
Oct 12, 8:30am
people who are not mechanics seeing what comes in each day between 6 monthly inspections have no bloody idea!
also per km's what a joke! how is that even accross the board,so a farmers hack offroad/onroad,a hoon in a done up rapped 90's turbo 4wd,travel rep,old nana all have even wear and tear in the same space of km's ! what the really!
and hell why not just unplug your speedo.
Why change something that is not broke in favour of $ savings over the safety of yourself and others on the road! perhaps when you get hit by some falcon BA whos top ball joint has broken and kills your family you may see sence!
also the little moans over wiper blades is sad grown men too!,do you realise the sun heats glass and its a thin rubber strip! imagine following a stock truck with shit spraying out,you put on your smeary wipers and carnt see as you get your phone to ring *555,jesus kiwis are getting like yanks!
go figure its simple really nothing last for ever we havnt gotten that far with vehicles yet.
themta,
Oct 12, 9:24am
You didn't say - do you think we can trust Govt to stop the increase in deaths that their figures show will occur if they can't get their 'measures' in place and working quickly.
Keen to know!
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 12, 9:37am
I am pretty disgusted with the MTA too, its blatant, barely legal (at best), manipulation from a party with a seriously vested interest and very deep pockets. People by and large are mostly just little sponges soaking up whatever nonsense the media feeds them (just look at how many people bought over priced Suzuki Swifts and Hyundai's. or Daiwoo's when they were doing their marketing).
Sure, there will be more deaths if the WOF's are extended. However its a matter of how many more deaths vs the cost saving. The Country just can't afford the level of regulation we have going forward, the cost of bottom wiping could easily wipe us out as the global financial crises continues to unfold.
Its time to cut back to the bare basics now so we are in a position to weather the storm and prosper once it passes.
Oh and one other thing, sure we might lose a few more lives to longer WOF intervals but those will likely quickly be offset as the national fleet continues to be updated with newer safer cars. (something which Police statistics always seem to fail to account for).
thejazzpianoma,
Oct 12, 9:39am
BTW, I think one ultimate solution to a lot of these sorts of problems is to change our education system and re-direct some of the expensive "safety" media budget towards promoting personal responsibility.
Its a bit like the old give a man a fish or teach him to fish story.
If people understood how media manipulation works and had a mindset of personal responsibility the amount of money we could save as a country would be monumental.
rob_man,
Oct 12, 10:00am
Which is speculation on their part. As you said, the facts are important, not speculation. The data from what has already occurred can probably be assessed as fact, 0.5% of deaths/injuries have been caused by faults, not cars without WOFs, faults. That infers that a portion of those vehicles involved probably had a WOF. A sticker on your windscreen does not act as a magic force field of some sort.
ct9a,
Oct 12, 10:02am
in a perfect world other wise goodluck with that.
how many people even cook meals these days .people want what's quick easy not to have to learn more things,i tell ya doing AA breakdown for 5years 80% (at a guess) of flat tyre call outs where males ,people arnt teaching there own kids sweet F all and look at the generation coming through and you expect them to learn things on a motor vehicle they dnt insure,finance up and carnt afford to run.
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