I am just about to fit new tyres to my 2006 BF Falcon XT wagon which uses the 235/45/17 size.I am deciding between the "Firestone TZ700" or the "Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max"Anybody had experience with either of these tyres!Thanks for your help.
intrade,
Nov 20, 9:30am
dont buy fireston or bridgstone they are seriosly bad tyres i got some bridgestones on my vw and have had firestone supercrap etc they are poor quality . I will be getting me michelin pilot on my vw when i carfully worn out the bridgstone-firestone crap
cjdnzl,
Nov 20, 10:09am
IMHO Firestone/Bridgestone are better than Goodyear, and better than Dunlop, but not as good as premium tyres like Michelin or Pirelli. Basically, you get what you pay for. I have TZ700s on the front and TZ100s on the back of my Primera - I can't wear the TZ100s out.They were superseded by the TZ700, a good all-round tyre IMO.
bellky,
Nov 20, 10:22am
Maybe some of the reason (most) the tz100s on the back aren't wearing out is the fact that on a Primera they don't really stop the car, or propel it, or steer it :)
intrade,
Nov 20, 10:22am
i got brigdstone sports tourer , they are ok in the dry and seriously usless in the wet. I took off in the wet on a traffic light and the weels started spinning , I was thinking my clutch had gone at first untill i let the trottle go and noticed it was just loss of traction . No squealing just spinning empty like it was aquaplaning . so i am now super carfull with these rubbish tyre in the wet.
cjdnzl,
Nov 20, 10:40am
Yes, the back wheels only have about a third of the braking force, but they experience the same lateral G's as do the front wheels when cornering - in fact slightly more, as the back wheels travel in a tighter arc than the front, which is why the back will break away before the front when cornering hard.
phillip.weston,
Nov 20, 10:53am
I hope TZ700s fixed the problems of TZ100s failing WOFs prematurely due to not enough tread depth on the side tread blocks.
unbeatabull,
Nov 20, 11:34am
From someone who works on these cars every day and sees many different tyres fitted to them.
I'd personally say GT Radials seem to get the best/even wear ( Falcon's are known for chopping the front insides out on tyres, so important to keep rotated every service!) and also pretty good all round grip.
Otherwise Dunlop SP3000's are a good grippy tyre, but are probably the worst at wearing the inner shoulder out, especially when not rotated. I've also found Dunlop Direzza DZ101 very good to, but they are more of a sticky tyre/softer compound and don't last quite as long and also have a slighly lower load rating (93 rather then 94)
Bridgestone RE002 and MY02 are also good tyres, and would recommend ahead of what you are looking at.
Toyo also do two very good tyres in that size which I've found really good - T1R and Proxes4.
Out of the two you've suggested, I'd grab the Goodyear. The TZ100's lack grip, chop the inner edge out bad and we've had a few come back complaining of road noise.
nightboss,
Nov 20, 11:46am
While on subject of tyres and there are a couple of knowledgable posters here can you answer my question.
I was told by a tyre shop that if you change only two tyres at a time on permanant 4wd vehicles you risk damaging the transfer gearbox due to different circumference front and rear, especially if the brands are different.
Question - Is this true or just a sales pitch to get all 4 changed! Note - Only refers to permanant 4wd.
unbeatabull,
Nov 20, 12:03pm
Potentially true, have never seen it happen though.
As long as they are the exact same profile/tyre size there should not be a problem. You do have to factor in there is up to 8mm tread difference between a worn tyre and a new tyre, but am yet to see damage. In theory it could, practically, I haven't seen it.
Generally as long as same brand/wear amount/size etc on each axle are the same you should be ok.
jason18,
Nov 20, 12:04pm
Im running the dunlop sp3000s on my Falcon.Bloody nice tyre. Also got some Kuhmo Zetums on my AU and they are really good tyres. and well priced
bellky,
Nov 20, 12:09pm
Better than rotating tyres is fitting a camber adjustment kit.
bellky,
Nov 20, 12:11pm
That's what a centre diff is for.
unbeatabull,
Nov 20, 12:11pm
They don't run that much camber from factory (-1 degrees). If you wanted to run less and make it handle worst then that's your choice. Main thing that chops tyres though is how high the castor is from factory on these (between 5.5 and 6.5 degrees).
bellky,
Nov 20, 12:20pm
Blah, Blah. I own one with front cross member at barely 105mm. Fitting the camber kit was the key. Some castor adjustment is possible with the camber kit too.
Falcons are heavy cars (mines 1500kg) and some shoulder wear inside and out is inevitable on 205s, even 235s.
jason18,
Nov 20, 12:22pm
Spot on!
bellky,
Nov 20, 12:24pm
How would you know.
I sincerely believe you don't.
jason18,
Nov 20, 12:25pm
Cool story bro ^ I better go fit camber plates since I am having no trouble with my 2 falcons wearing out on the inside or outside.
bellky,
Nov 20, 12:28pm
Yes I know you're having a lot of problems with your Falcons. I feel sorry for you as it must be frustrating, especially the red car.
jason18,
Nov 20, 12:28pm
Yeah red car is a real issue. Still havent fixed it not starting. Havent cut and polished it yet! I feel sorry for you having to look in the mirror everyday
Tyres at the very bottom. They were cheap and I was a bit wary buying them but having have fitted. They provide great wet and dry grip, Little road noise but nothing major
smac,
Nov 20, 12:47pm
Seems to me when ever you go around a corner the wheels are turning different speeds, both left to right, and front to back. If that's gonna kill the transfer box, either don't go around corners, or buy a better product.
unbeatabull,
Nov 20, 12:50pm
Sorry, I read it as you fitting adjustable camber arms rather then the shims to adjust the camber on the factory susp setup which we do a lot of!
You do realise though, that you are actually altering the castor to with the plates that go in behind! Which is the main cause of the wear, not the camber.
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