My belief is that speed is not the killer, it is the lack of 'practical skills' required to get behind the wheel of a two ton killer. It's our lack of skill that kills, not going 200kph on a nice bit of straight deserted west coast south island road (with Mr Plood at the end). It wasn't me behind the wheel for those whom wish to sling mud.
intrade,
Apr 1, 5:40pm
i absolutely agree with you.
purple666,
Apr 1, 5:53pm
Doing 10kph isn't "perfectly safe", life itself isn't "perfectly safe", there are however plenty of roads that in the right circumstances aren't "perfectly safe" but they are relatively safe at over 100kph, even over 200kph. There are those of you that go through life blindly obeying the rules, and then there are those of us that use "life experience and common sense" to have a little fun.
tintop,
Apr 1, 6:01pm
So other road users ( local and those from left hand drive countries), children, stray animals, cockies on tractors, all need to be 'upsklled' too so that some plonker can grossly exceed the speed that everyone else is used to?
tintop,
Apr 1, 6:03pm
What are these 'right circumstances? How are they gauged?
mcscottwgtn,
Apr 1, 6:13pm
We are never given the skills required to operate a car is my point. All they do is get you to parrot some rules back and control two tons of metal for a matter of minutes to get your license. You don't have to show how to control a skid for example. Releasing the hand brake could be considered unsafe in certain circumstances.
skin1235,
Apr 1, 6:18pm
turning the key is unsafe for some, and for even more turning the key is unsafe for everyone else on the roads but we're getting way off subject now speed or any behaviour on the road should never compromise your gun license , unless it is a criminal activity of a few specific types driving offenses don't impinge on other licenses
rbd,
Apr 1, 8:20pm
How wrong you are. Around 12 years ago I lost my license (3 months) after earning 35 points for a careless use charge after I crashed a car due to a subsided road (that's another story. ). To this day I have to explain myself to CAA every time my fit and proper person application goes in.
The argument is that working in the transport industry you need to show respect for the law (especially transport related). I have never had any problems, but I need a valid explanation which I have typed up on an A4 page.
Gun license holders (as fine upstanding citizens) also need to show respect for the law. Are gun licenses controlled by Police or fobbed off to another department?
purple666,
Apr 1, 8:25pm
If you don't know then you shouldn't even contemplate trying it, it isn't for everyone, not like the rules/laws.
mcscottwgtn,
Apr 1, 8:30pm
My brain goes braindead driving these days. Even when driving my Porsche. Mr Plood has made driving so boring. Set the cruise control and disengage the brain 'makes a safe driver'! I do the same in my Hyundai and it can do corners at 103kph too. I am still zoned out - but following the law! I should get a helicopter, have a license, can go flat out all day! Not likely to break the rules by flying into clouds in one of those machines. You can't bust speed limits in a helicopter as they are too slow!
brapbrap8,
Apr 1, 8:50pm
Gun licenses are controlled by the police, they have dedicated Arms Officers who handle everything to do with gaining or losing your FAL.
Edit, sorry that rant was way off on a tangent.
richardmayes,
Apr 2, 5:07am
Why does society even need laws? Anarchy would be much better.
richardmayes,
Apr 2, 7:16am
Anyway - I love this thread.
When mavericks become complainers. LOL
whqqsh,
Apr 2, 12:55pm
Must admit my demerits were mentioned when I got my firearms license. & again when I went referee for someone recently
elect70,
Apr 2, 4:40pm
Thats CAA not Police & as far a guns are concerned criminal convictions are taken into account ,not traffic infringements . Even then it doesnt automatically mean wont get 1 . I have yet have a conviction .
cabrio1,
Apr 2, 4:59pm
If you have to apply for fit and proper person status you have to mention all convictions including demerit points. If you have demerit points in the last two years they may and can refuse to give that status. That's a fact. It happened to a colleague a couple of months ago for demerit points. Some grovelling eventually resolved this but he was refused due to demerits for speeding. They suggested a two year clean period was satisfactory to gain fit and proper person.
elect70,
Apr 3, 4:27pm
^^^ funny that now to get an electrical practising license it says have to have a declaration that you are a "fit & proper person" to hold it . well F$%#@ them i sat my ticket & did the refresher courses so they aint going to tell me I anit a fit & proper person to work at my trade just because I have traffic demerit points . Bureaucracy gone mad .
skin1235,
Apr 3, 4:39pm
you often enter clients houses to do your job, those clients want verification that you are not a criminal intent on harming them , ie a fit and proper person yes its PC over the top, but there scum out there too that use the pretense of trade quals to gain entry for illegal purposes, can see both sides of it in those circumstances, bit hard to plump down on any particular 'side'
elect70,
Apr 4, 11:17am
^^ We also have to have an ID card like driver license visable & its also accessable on line . No one ive ever done work for has even asked to see my practising license in50 years let alone if i have crimimal record or driving offenses So I guess my driving offences will preclude me from renewing it . This crap will put thousands out of their job . Perhaps mechanics should have it too so the owners know you are a fit & proper person to be allowed to work on your car . How far OTT can they get ?
morrisman1,
Apr 4, 11:37am
I think the moral of the story here is keep your record clean so it doesn't stuff up your career.
bjg,
May 10, 6:53pm
I have been trying to search where this law is written down and I cant find it the government makes the laws not the police. . If it isn't written down in it doesn't exist and its just another thing the police have made up and until a lawyer gets it and sorts it they will get away with it .I have contacted colfo so it will be interesting what they have to say. I know of 6 police that were blasting along the west coast on their bikes at 260 km just to see if their bikes did it.
esky-tastic,
May 10, 7:09pm
Are you for real? - it HAS happened and not just once.
So the 'bully boys in blue' DO 'have 'all these powers'.
esky-tastic,
May 10, 7:11pm
You 'know' this? pfft.
Anyway, even if it WAS true they didn't get caight - and besides, did any have a gun licence to lose?
alfred011,
May 10, 7:13pm
You have to get caught before you have broken the law .
esky-tastic,
Feb 5, 9:07am
Don't cloud the issue with facts! (lol)
Very true.
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