No wonder some dealers refuse to deal in these things in the new CGA environment. there's simply no money in it. I can see more cars simply becoming mechanical and electrical write offs at (for NZ) young ages as much as they are for crash damage.
Would'nt have picked it going that way. Avery interesting read thank's.
fordcrzy,
Jan 4, 9:54pm
far out thats crazy.
saxman99,
Jan 5, 2:50am
Surprised with that ruling. Crikey.
Amazing the damage a crook injector can do.
whqqsh,
Jan 5, 4:01am
agree, it read to me like 'stupid cow, stupid cow, stupid cow. now give her lots of dosh'
lookoutas,
Jan 5, 5:58am
Don't blame the 'stupid cow' Cows, or even some bulls sometimes aren't totally savvy with these things. The way I see it, there should be an insurance claim here. They won't pay for the problem causing the injectors to malfunction, but should pay for the resulting damage.
trouser,
Jan 5, 6:07am
stupid cow how? The injectors could have pumped that amount of fuel into the engine in a few minutes. So what if the servicing was a bit over due it clearly wasn't a lack of oil problem.
whqqsh,
Jan 5, 6:17am
& in 10 months & 17000kms admitted oil level was never checked. yet wants everyone (or anyone) else to pay. modern world attitudes huh? & 'a bit' overdue? hardly!
whqqsh,
Jan 5, 6:21am
Put 'a bit' into context, pretty much Aucks to Welly, back to Aucks AND nearly back to Welly again. all with a service light in your face. and its still someone else fault
lookoutas,
Jan 5, 6:22am
A "Guy" took me for a blast in his Godzilla, and the engine started to rattle. Turned out he hadn't checked the oil since buying it 6 weeks before, and it had none! He wasn't a 'Cow' but it turned out to be a cow for him.
There would be a very small percentage of females who check under the bonnet.
whqqsh,
Jan 5, 6:34am
so female means 'exempt from responsibility'? No wonder they originally weren't allowed to drive at all
gsimpson,
Jan 5, 6:41am
Those that are unwilling to look under the bonnet should at least get someone to do so for them at regular intervals.
tgray,
Jan 5, 6:43am
So the buyer having never checked the oil, gets 17,000k and 10 months of free motoring and can simply hand the car back for a full refund, courtesy of the dealer. Not bad.
cammey,
Jan 5, 6:47am
Would a service have ensured that the fuel injector would not fail ? At best someone may have noticed fuel contamination, if the injector was slowly failing. But failure may well have been very very quick.
I tend to agree with the poster above who felt this was more an insurance company problem than the vehicle dealers.
Mind you.
Frau Cammey had one of these Golf things. Hers was a petrol one, that she got new.
It spent more time on the hoist than on the road.
She now has a Peugeot. from frying pan to fire I expect although fingers crossed.
mals69,
Jan 5, 6:52am
Overly complicated cars !
intrade,
Jan 5, 7:03am
Yes i would not want to be a car dealer . The problem is the cga while it means to do good, it actuarly turns consumers in to braindead morons wrapped in cotton wool. now these braindead morons also repair things , its in everything , i see mr olivas talk about how much wrong stuff there is out there in the "Hvac system instalation business" . 98% of people in a trade dont know what they are doing. They think they do! but they dont! because they dont know the basics to start with. This goes for everything . Coil on plug 1928 ford model T had that same thing cop-system why has it all of a sudden become inpossible to diagnose. because one does not know the basics . i dont know most things i am learning it, i come from diesel there was no electronics on diesel i repaired And i liked it that way , now i have to learn it all , but i know the basics and how important it is to know the basics and not thinking you know what you are doing because your brother in law told you how. Like the other day whomever it was most probably a moron in whangarei mechanic whom told this girl your automatic trans problem is old age of the car? W.T.F ! that moron is fixing peoples cars . does he know the basics . i dont think so. because old age has nothing to do with transmission problems . a 5 year old probably knows that one ! i go read this stroy now i tell you what i think afterwards.
whqqsh,
Jan 5, 7:08am
but if someone had checked the oil regularly & noticed 'gee its travelled xxxkms since I checked it last & instead of needing a drop or two has 'grown' another litre'
intrade,
Jan 5, 7:16am
This is 100% wrong . i post why in the next post.
The Tribunal has considered whether the purchaser??
intrade,
Jan 5, 7:22am
checking engine oil and knowing the basics would have saved the car from distruction. No i am not a vw fanboy i hate crap and love stuff whom is built tuff. Now first thing i noticed straight off. Midas are not qualified to service that car to begin with. its a classic example why manufacturer want to force owners back to the dealer only agents, midas is not responsible for the engine to fail. the engine failed because the OWNER did not know the basics , and the manufacturer is to blame for that also. Remember how i keep going on and on and on like a broken record Diesel commonrail with "DPF Do NOT DRIVE SHORT TRIPS! " This is what should be in the owners manual on the cover of the vehicles manual.
cammey,
Jan 5, 7:24am
Many modern vehicles have a dashboard oil level indication.
The owner need not pull the dipstick to check the oil. Frau Cammeys Golf had this system. I think an owner could argue that if a vehicle only has a dipstick, then they have to check the dipstick.
If it has a dipstick and a dashboard oil level indication, that they can rely on either.
No excuse however for going over the service interval.
intrade,
Jan 5, 7:27am
why did it have 8 liter oil in the sump? not because midas put 8 liter in there. The reason is the dpf = diesel particulet filter needs to burn off the soot from short trip drives , it needs 50km continued driving with no stopping. i said that 100 tousend times now on here if you stop before the engine managment regenerated the particulet filter it will abort the cleaning and start again when ever it thinks it gets it done again, there is no info about this to the driver , and i dont know if it is in the manual and if it is its either not READ by the Driver of the car.
whqqsh,
Jan 5, 7:29am
I'd rather trust my own eyes & common sense, sure the gadgets are fine BUT remember what checks the check? An oil pressure warning light usually only goes on when it's too late. & what if the light is faulty?
intrade,
Jan 5, 7:35am
now how does the engine oil rais to 8 liter? well cleaning is done by injection of fuel in to the exhaust stroke to start a fire inside the dpf to burn off the sooth higher rpm and more boost is commanded by the ecu to make this BBQ clean the sooth in the dpf and whom lights the fire the catholic converter does that it is before the dpf and lights the fuel up. now the 15,000km service was also exeeded by the driver warning light about service ignored. the engine would have suffered some longtherm damage in any case because of not knowing or choosing to ignore the basics. the engine oil has risen to 8 liters form all the diesel fuel in the engine oil from the failed regeneration attempts.
kazbanz,
Jan 5, 7:45am
THAT is just the tip of the iceberg. have a read through MVDT rulings. At least nowadays a dealer has a fighting chance in MVDT. Not so long ago it was a foregone conclusion that if a dealer went to MVDT they would loose.
intrade,
Jan 5, 7:50am
now lets go to the basics again because that is probably gooble de gook to most of you other then franc123 and a few more whom have there brain on and are trained professionals of the automotive industry. Basics to know as a car owner 1. The service interval must never be exeeded its milage 15 tousend max km service or 1 year maximum . You drive 2000km in one year you service it after 356 days no matter what you dont need to know why its gobble de gook to you so you do the basics. ONLY 2 you dont go to midas for a service because they are not traind professionals on your car make you drive. If they proof to you they are having the factory diagnostic tool and ARE trained to service your vehicle you can use that midas outlet. Otherwise you find a trained workshop . One that dont tells you your gearbox problem is old age of your car! 3 if you buy a modern diesel you MUST! do long trip drives once a week 50km minimum , or you need a service by trained professionals every "6 month" on this vehicle also goes for gdi petrol cars similar problems nuke them. Trained professionals only "servicing diesel and "gdi.-fsi sidi" =all direct injectors.
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