What we all need is a car that can go from 80 to 120 in 2.4 seconds. Maybe the new govt. can supply us with a choice of two cars, Audi RS6 or AMG C63. Oh no, that would just up the ante. Damn!
philltauranga,
Nov 2, 7:49pm
I see you dredged up some legislation thereafter1, but I find it rather convenient you seem to have deliberately left out the part specific to the move goat is doing when he is passing 3 wide on a passing lane, so I will cut and paste the legislation here so we can all see that. Take note of this bit: "on a two-way roadway marked in 3 lanes,— (i) the lane on the right side of the roadway; or"
So therafter1 now that you have read the legisilation do you still "finks sum fullas fired a shot and missed the target" Re your post 176.
OR
Do you still think I havn't "worked it out yet"
pauldw,
Nov 2, 9:39pm
That's as specified in the NZTA Motsam manual for road marking. The passing lane has no overtaking line to right, depending on sighting or traffic volume the opposing lane could also have yellow.
Didn't you want 2.3 (1) c?
philltauranga,
Nov 2, 10:27pm
EXACTLY.
Atleast you can see why mrcat and myself are having trouble understanding just how goat could "legally" pass 3 wide on a passing lane. He would have had to cross a solid yellow line on the right of the right hand passing lane to do so.
ema1,
Nov 2, 11:49pm
Perhaps he doesn't see the full colour spectrum. just saying. or is a law unto himself !
purplegoat,
Nov 2, 11:54pm
Oh dear it’s appears ya memory is failing you . here is what I wrote way back in post 105
My way of dealing with the noddies passing 1 km faster used to be make the passing lane 3 wide where safe . lol Unfortunately that option has been removed now that some cardigan wearer has decided that many passing lanes require double yellow lines .
philltauranga,
Nov 3, 12:10am
Double yellow lines have nothing to do with passing 3 wide, double yellow means oncomming traffic cant use the opposing traffic passing lane, ALL passing lanes have a yellow to the right of the right hand passing lane which makes passing 3 wide illegal. Your post #192 tells me you dont know which side of the center line the yellow line is on when there is only a single yellow line, are you unaware that people can use the oncomming passing lane to overtake if there is only a single yellow? Post 192 tells all really, I think you are now just backflipping and trying to criticize me because you are backed into a corner.
philltauranga,
Nov 3, 12:36am
Noddy, perhaps you could clarify your posts by telling us all how long ago was the last time you passed 3 wide on a passing lane?
Perhaps a few of the old hands in here who have had a licence for several decades could tell us how long has it been since passing lanes have had a single yellow line to the right of the right hand passing lane?
If there was no solid yellow then dont you think it would be a bit confusing for people to know which direction HAS the passing lane, if people missed the signs then you would only see 3 lanes with a white dotted line, seperating them all.
So just how long ago was it noddy? I dont recall seeing no yellow line to indicate which direction of travel has the passing lane, my memory must be failing me I guess aye.
peja,
Nov 3, 12:54am
In theory, I have no issue with purplegoats double passing, but in practice have never run across a situation where it was possible to do it safely, or the need to do so. However all my open road driving is between two places between which there are no passing lanes where it is safely feasible
purplegoat,
Nov 3, 1:01am
I used to enjoy debating with ya Phil cause you would stick to the facts Now you’ve starting twisting things , claiming I’ve said things I didn’t , I really can’t be arsed debating in such circumstances .
marmar1,
Nov 3, 1:10am
I've overtaken an overtaker and yes I was breaking the law twice as I wasn't hanging about but to me " I " deemed it to be safe right through the whole manoeuvre.
philltauranga,
Nov 3, 1:12am
The issue isn't the theory of being able to double pass, however it cant be done LEGALLY, because you would need to cross a yellow line.
Here is a google map link of a passing lane on the Desert Rd:
North bounds right hand passing lane has a yellow line on the left of the centerline, making it illegal to pass 3 wide. South bound has a dotted white line for the center, so south bound can overtake in the northbound passing lane.
Are there any passing lanes that DO NOT have the yellow line to the right of the right hand passing lane?
philltauranga,
Nov 3, 1:15am
Twisting things? . Who the fuk are you trying to fool. Anyone reading this can see nothing is being twisted. Its obvious why you cant be arsed debating this.
purplegoat,
Nov 3, 1:19am
And that’s where the muppets at NZTA or whoever design out road markings are farken idiots , oncoming traffic using the opposite directions passing lane is tenfold more dangerous than going 3 wide in a passing lane I have seen numerous near misses where somebody in the left hand passing lane pops out from behind a truck into the passing lane and almost gets clobbered by somebody overtaking in the opposite direction Anybody using the opposite directions passing lane to pass when there is oncoming traffic in EITHER of the opposing lanes is a kamikaze maniac and should start catching the bus
therafter1,
Nov 3, 1:27am
You have added in the direction of travel and the yellow line on the side of the direction of travel. Neither the goat nor I have mentioned a yellow line when it is on our side direction of travel nor advocated the crossing of yellow lines on our side direction of travel.
A passing lane is a passing lane to me regardless of my direction of travel. Obviously when the passing lane in not in your direction of travel then you have to be a little more cautious using it, particularly if there is an oncoming vehicle, and more so if there are multiple oncoming vehicles.
And I believe my interpretation of the legislation is correct which is why I only posted a selected portion.
You must not unless (b) on a two-way roadway marked in 2 or more lanes, a lane on the right side of the centre line unless the driver is passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction.
ema1,
Nov 3, 1:39am
Nah I'll just watch this spat from afar, I have better things to do. if this is what continues to affect our roads then I prefer to fly where sanity prevails. i suggest that goat starts a thread entitled . 'Road Laws According To The Perception Of Purple Goat/God. "
philltauranga,
Nov 3, 1:42am
WTF? how is that twisting things? Its just pointing out all the facts to show that it is not legally possible to pass 3 wide in a marked passing lane. If you read post 105, you will see just what started this whole debate. YOU CAN NOT LEGALLY PASS THREE WIDE ON A PASSING LANE.
After our last debate in the terrible accident thread, I now put all your comments in the same basket as goats.
ema1,
Nov 3, 1:46am
Double Yellow Lines no matter where they may be situated means DON'T CROSS . FULL STOP ! Since when has that not been the case in any legal position. NEVER !
therafter1,
Nov 3, 1:48am
What I would like to see is more enforcement of all of the regulations, not just speed! Like the one in the posted link. Following too close appears to be endemic. And not only are people all following too close, if you attempt to pass them and slot in they try and close you out … maniacs. 7.17Motor vehicles following other vehicles (1) This clause— (a) applies if the driver of a motor vehicle (vehicle A) is following another vehicle (vehicle B); but (b) does not apply where the speed limit is 50 km per hour or less. (2) The driver of vehicle A must, except when overtaking vehicle B with the intention of passing it, keep a sufficient distance from vehicle B to enable the driver of any other vehicle to overtake and pass vehicle A and then move in behind vehicle B when conditions are such that this can be done safely.
5.9Stopping and following distances (1) A driver must not drive a vehicle in a lane marked on a road at such a speed that the driver is unable to stop in the length of the lane that is visible to the driver. (2) A driver must not drive a vehicle on a road that is not marked in lanes at such a speed that the driver is unable to stop in half the length of roadway that is visible to the driver. (3) A driver must not drive on a road a vehicle following behind another vehicle so that the driver cannot stop the driver’s vehicle short of the vehicle ahead if the vehicle ahead stops suddenly. (4) No driver may drive a motor vehicle on any road following behind another vehicle at a distance behind that vehicle of less than— (a) 16 m, if his or her speed is 40 km an hour or more but less than 50 km an hour; or (b) 20 m, if his or her speed is 50 km an hour or more but less than 60 km an hour; or (c) 24 m, if his or her speed is 60 km an hour or more but less than 70 km an hour; or (d) 28 m, if his or her speed is 70 km an hour or more but less than 80 km an hour; or (e) 32 m, if his or her speed is 80 km an hour or more but less than 90 km an hour; or (f) 36 m, if his or her speed is 90 km an hour or more.
If following distance was more closely enforced then the reliance on passing lanes and slow vehicle bays would possibly be reduced.
Early days yet re the triple fatal south of Whangarei yesterday, I wonder whether following too close is considered to be a factor!
ema1,
Nov 3, 1:54am
Any person interpreting any legislation should be doing so in it's entirety not just selected portions thereof. That tends to make things errr towards defending a defective argument. There's only one way to interpret any legislation and that's to read the legislation in it's entirety, even to the point of reading it several times to make said legislation actually sink into and be fully understood by the mind. lots I wager will have difficulty in doing that very thing and thus become a law unto themselves !
therafter1,
Nov 3, 1:56am
Good for you, what did I do wrong there! . Did I criticize the actions of a professional truck driver that wasn't driving very professionally or something . sheeesh, because someone criticizes the driving of one driver doesn't mean one is casting a blanket over all professional drivers!
therafter1,
Nov 3, 1:58am
I thought you were going to stay out of it, and I hope you aren't going to start chucking your toys around.
Of course you are correct, but the regulation clearly states that in certain situations you may providing it is safe to do so!
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