When will they ever learn ?. Firstly, the roading engineers, NZTA, and the trucking companies.
poppy62,
Oct 5, 7:15pm
Should have gone the wrong way round the roundabout.
henderson_guy,
Oct 5, 8:23pm
Eh? It's a trombone trailer, made to extend for long loads. Also, not all oversized loads require permits. Clearly, he took the wrong line for that particular roundabout, but as you say, many are designed with no thought as to the oversize users of the road. The designated heavy haul bypass route through Auckland has some terrible intersections on it, let alone state highways through backward towns.
bashfulbro,
Oct 5, 9:23pm
Exactly, shouldn`t have been on a trombone trailer, MAD rule requires a rear steering facility, when exceeding 30 metres,that trailer had no rear steering. Also, more than 10 metres behind rear axis, needs to have engineers report to ensure that it is safe, and will negotiate the intended route, which requires the intended route to be checked, and that engineer`s report has to be submitted to the permit issuing authority ,before permit is issued. How much of that load was ahead of the rear axis ? With the right equipment , there wouldn`t have been a issue.
henderson_guy,
Oct 5, 9:33pm
Remember, we only have the articles word that the beam was 30m (and a steering mechanism is required for loads over 30m anyway) plus a castor steer on that trailer shortens the wheelbase, extending the rear overhang which may be unsuitable for that load or any other on the trailer. It's fine to question the dimensions, but to declare the trailer, company and driver as "unsuitable" without all the relative facts is a little piss-poor, IMO.
elect70,
Oct 6, 12:45am
They put 1 in on SH1 north of Paraparaumu by turnoff for Southwards . Several trucks overturned but they said nothing wrong with it , but altered it 3 months later to make the circle bigger .
martin11,
Oct 6, 1:22am
The one at the Redwood St / Alabama Rd in Blenheim when it was put in years ago , One corner was the Milk Treatment station and the trucks and Trailers could not get round it . Its took 3 rebuilds of it to get it right so they trucks could get around it .
philltauranga,
Oct 6, 1:54am
Those "extra long beams" passing through are on a jinker, so they are easier to negotiate around some of the obstacles NZTA like to throw at us to test our skills. If you see a pilot vehicle stopping traffic, *please* dont loose your sh1t and fly off the handle at them like some people do who wouldnt have a clue about "why is that truck comming down the wrong side?" looking at what goes wrong would be a good answer *why*
bashfulbro,
Oct 6, 2:47am
I didn`t, and wouldn`t declare the driver and trucking company unsuitable, i happen to know they are a very good company, what i said , was the trailer, used for that load was not suitable, and it showed it wasn`t. There are trailers, designed,specifically to handle loads, that length and longer, with ease,but there is a reluctance to use them, because they cost more, so we have operators ( pardon the pun ). 'cutting corners', with inadequate equipment. Add that to the poor design of roundabouts, permit system and lack of policing, we have a recipe for occasional cock ups.
woody1946,
Oct 6, 3:24am
Why do they make them with dirt so close to the edge ? A 2 metre wide concrete border around the edge would have stopped that trailer getting stuck
two9s,
Oct 6, 4:31am
Must be the same designer who did Taupo's East Arterial. Roundabouts made too small, and ended up having to make them much greater in diameter. Wheetbix packet degree in Engineering
philltauranga,
Oct 6, 4:37am
You are pointing out the obvious. NZTA need to be told these things over and over again by the industry. Would you rather they come through causing chaos on the wrong side. OR. just add some concrete aaayyyy. duh. NZTA
philltauranga,
Oct 6, 5:05am
I blame the truck. Kenworth would have ploughed that out no worries.
bashfulbro,
Oct 6, 5:15am
Haha Phil, you`ve got a good point there, about a KW, but the authorities do get told , about these issues, day in and day out, NZTA, just don`t listen.
philltauranga,
Oct 6, 5:24am
Hmmmm I better go check the chassis rails for missing cones, I hear they are looking for them.
cabrio1,
Oct 6, 5:30am
Fidint Dit, Multi Million Dollar roundabout
Should have spent a bit more and made a proper roundabout. Usual nickel and dime solution to the problem
woody1946,
Oct 6, 8:08am
AH. just figured it out A bed of pretty flowers is cheaper than concrete-----not
philltauranga,
Oct 6, 9:02am
"but the agency would seek reimbursement from the trucking company"
Hey uummmm NZTA. you do realise YOU set the size limmits on these TROMBONE trailers ay. OH and uuummmm? dont YOU issue the permits? HMMM. make the intersections on the STATE HIGHWAYS to fit them to eh?
"The width of the roundabout was not at fault, he said." F*#!@NB511T. Frank!
henderson_guy,
Oct 6, 4:11pm
Didn't even look like he had that trailer at full stretch. Not that you can get it many places of ya do.
henderson_guy,
Oct 6, 4:15pm
There are, but they are limited to their usefulness, so only the outfits that do a lot of excessively long loads own them.
philltauranga,
Oct 6, 9:36pm
Thats what I was thinking too. Some loads *have* to go on a stretched trombone, like concrete tilt panels, sometimes just to get things to weigh in, stretching to transfer the weight foward. NZTA. take a look at this picture: http://www.tmc-trailers.co.nz/uploads/6/5/6/8/65682949/9927401_orig.jpg I will give you the keys Frank. you tell me, "if it fits" We will pay for the concrete dammage, NZTA pays the $10,000 suspension, brake and chassis dammage. ay?
lauzie,
Oct 7, 4:50am
You only have to look at the roundabout in question and wonder at the intelligence of the designer and whoever approved it . It is in a 70k zone and you would have to be a pretty good driver with a clear road to get around it at that speed. Millions wasted. I bet it wont last long in its present form.
bashfulbro,
Oct 7, 11:18pm
70k is the maximum, that doesn`t mean that you have to maintain that speed, you drive to the conditions.
richardmayes,
Oct 8, 2:19am
The roundabout appears to be appropriately sized for the 400,000 odd cars, bikes and regular trucks that have presumably negotiated it without problems.
Then one day someone tries to bring a 30 metre long gantry crane through and has a bit of trouble. "OMG THIS ROUNDABOUT ISN'T DESIGNED PROPERLY! "
Ffs welcome to New Zealand; something bad happened to me, this must be somebody else's fault.
philltauranga,
Oct 8, 2:47am
CLEARLY you have never worked in the heavy haulage industry? WTF is the industry supposed to do? We are given set permits, set routes, set times to travel, set dimensions to adhere to, ect,ect The issues around the industry having the ABILITY to move the big loads go much, much deeper than this one incident.
NZTA. IS. to blame for this!
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