Would it help if I said I *know* the guy taking those extra long beams they are refering to that made it through there on a jinker. I know where the window washer switch is on the jinker to. I know this issue with the lack of a concrete boarder on the roundabout was HEAVILY dissused just after it opened, by people who know what they are looking at.
Yep just like driving a car eh. or a *standard* size truck. lol
henderson_guy,
Oct 8, 3:44am
I was abused over the CB a while back by a "standard" truck driver for slowing for a bridge just out of Te Kuiti. After that, every bridge and culvert thereafter became a crawl Central
philltauranga,
Oct 8, 3:48am
I hope you weren't accelerating or braking on them.
philltauranga,
Oct 8, 4:06am
Shall we get phalanax to have a go. after hes filled out his logbook, found the right route on the permit, selected the correct gear and told him to only hit the gas. you need to plough the dirt out. dont hit the brakes.
We will do his cone test. he can do a trombone vs roundabout test.
henderson_guy,
Oct 8, 5:01am
I wouldn't dream of it! Speaking of which, my last permit specified the Piako River bridge on 27 ( the long one between Paeroa/Ngatea) as a 10km own lane. By the end of the bridge, there's a hell of a queue behind ya. In my latest permit, it's now a Do Not Cross. Bugger.
philltauranga,
Oct 8, 5:51am
Foxton: Manawatu river crawl central is worse, there is a few in south like it to. Hmmm why do we only do the *really* wide stuff at night. narrow stuff during the day. oh yea, the queue.
intrade,
Oct 8, 9:32pm
Did you read the comments on stuff. its exactly what i would have told you. Good to see. likeminded folks there,
philltauranga,
Oct 8, 10:13pm
What are you referring to *specifically*? Dont forget to factor in the "tail swing" with the railway light poles! My issue is not the shape of the road, its the flower garden. Heavy haulage drivers are not too worried about the shape of the lane or location of roadside curbs being set for standard sized trucks, we just remove the signs if we need to and drive over them. BUT you cant do that if there is a "flower garden" in the turning radius of the trailer. This issue has been raised "a number of times" to say the least.
re #36 the first post is one for example already cut and pasted to here from stuff. rheadJedi Why is no one questioning why it cost $3.6 million to build a roundabout. I don't understand. I remember seeing a massive sink hole in Japan and they managed to fix in within 48 hours. All I could think was, if that was NZ everyone would have to milk it to make as much money as possible instead of actually just fixing the problem.
richardmayes,
Oct 9, 9:43am
LOL okay.
If your business is transporting giant things that don't fit on trucks. on trucks. then YOU figure out how to make it happen Jack!
Maybe all roundabouts on state highways should be designed based around the turning circle of a space shuttle. ? Because you never know when one of those might need to come through Eketahuna right?
philltauranga,
Oct 9, 8:50pm
The industry HAS figured out how to make it happen here is a perfect example:
Take note of this bit: ""mistakes had been made in the designs as they were built to the agency's state highway specifications. Sandy Walker, a NZ Road Transport Association area manager and NZ Heavy Haulage board member, said the project had been a debacle. "I think it's shocking and should never have happened."" "lessons have been learnt"
After reading your posts in the slip thread, I thought you must know what you are on about, I was surprised to see your name after your first post. you dont happen to have a really shiny highviz vest do you?
We dont need to transport space shuttles . BUT . they could ATLEAST design them to FIT the large trucks THEY set the size limits on. dont you think. PMSL
andrew1954,
Oct 10, 10:53am
The simple answer to why it cost 3.6 mill to build is that modern civil engineering requires a lot of people standing around talking on their cell phone and “breast feeding shovelsâ€.
tfc3,
Oct 10, 7:13pm
Not funny, as I have been approached by a driver going around a roundabout the wrong way. Scary.
bashfulbro,
Oct 10, 8:01pm
The Transport industry had a similar on going argument, for many, many years, with power companies, insisting on having low wires, often down to 4 metres above the roads, even on specified heavy haul routes. They were happily taking the money and issuing permits for high loads to travel through their areas, un escorted, at 5.4 m high. Despite a regulation that their wires were required by their own internal rules, to be a minimum of 5.5 m above a road, just a recipe for disaster. Operators would pay for permits, pull down wires and poles, then get huge bills for repairs. Power companies would just put the wires back at the same ridiculous height, only to be pulled down again. I see similarities with the roundabout saga, Road planners, egos ,resisting the obvious,hanging on to a lost argument,as long as other people`s money is being wasted, they don`t care.
lauzie,
Oct 10, 8:23pm
Unfortunately this roundabout in question is just not suited for SH1 it would be OK in a built up area ie 50k zone. You only have to look at it to see the designer did not know what he was doing, or perhaps he did and had a grudge on people in Spring Creek. Ask the locals what they think of it. This truck getting stuck on.it is going to be the first of many incidents there.
henderson_guy,
Oct 11, 6:30am
Actually, it's a common practice by drivers of oversize vehicles. But we have pilot vehicles to stop traffic, we don't just bowl on down the wrong side of the road.
philltauranga,
Oct 11, 10:35pm
Yes this is the case I think, Ive met a few engineers on many sites over the years, some of them have expected me to get a widened 3x8 or 4x8 into places that just *wont* happen, and when I say WTF are you kidding me! they speak to me like Im stupid. "but the other trucks get in there". WHAT. THE FU#%ING CONCRETE TRUCKS! DO THEY HAVE A 40 TON DIGGER ON THE BACK! some of them are. hhmmm, well for people who went to uni, you would think they would have come idea about a swept-path, of a massive transporter or a trombone. When I turn up on a site, I go straight to the main office so Im not dealing with the ground workers, I can understand them not understanding the requirments. but the engineers? WTF?
intrade,
Oct 11, 11:27pm
Pen pushing morons with degrees , no clue about reality . you see how you actuarly agree with me if i let you post first . thats another strange thing Solar roadway water seer hyperloop all products of complete Morons .
philltauranga,
Oct 12, 1:04am
You do have a point, if mistakes are made, like in Taupo, then yes I would question the cost over-runs. The link I posted to the Taupo incident, you will notice the people responsible didnt seem to admit a problem, its almost like they think it is standard sized truck drivers complaining, NO. it is the heavy Haulage industry complaining because they have effectively *snookered* the big loads, sometimes we can not use side roads for a number of reasons, such as weight limmits on bridges, tight turns, power lines, no permit ect. Trying to explain the situation to people who haven't driven any thing bigger than a SUV with a tandem trailer on is next to immpossible tho. Trombone trailers, and 4x8 windener transporters with a 2x8 load divider are VERY common on the highways, shifting earthmoving, forestry equipment and other loads of construction or industrial componets between 30-100ton. Its stupid trying to compare the requirements of them, to a multi axle modular platform trailer carrying the super heavy loads over 100 ton which require months of planning, temporary bridges built over top of weaker small bridges, extensive detours around choke points, temporary roads built over traffic islands or roundabouts, sometimes their own roads built, ect, these loads are rare. All the drivers on these 30-100 ton load trucks want is the ability to move the loads with as little hassle as possible, the job is hard enough, dealing with space and traffic issues, NZTA could make the job easier by ensuring there are provisions in place to reduce or eliminate the problems they face. A great example would be a concrete border on a tight state highway roundabout. easy aaayyyy NZTA. think about it, if we can avoid massive disruptions by going the wrong way. just for the sake of some minor improvements to intersections.
serf407,
Oct 12, 2:29am
Checkout the mill road, alfriston road roundabout on google earth, easy to see how many truck trailer tyres go over the roundabout dirt even from the pic 20 months ago. 37 01 00.36S 174 56 23.14E
I saw another roundabout the otherday where all the direction signs were flattened on it. As well as the road dimensions, the oversize loads need to consider the power lines even in the 'heavy load transport corridors' and trees that have leaned over since the last big load went through etc.
Take note of this bit: "According to the government's own studies, many of these trucks don't need to be driving our main roads." "Trucks are there because the Government's transport policy has been effectively hijacked by the trucking industry." "Roundabouts are highly effective at stopping collisions, but they are rarely installed on our highways, mainly because the trucking industry hates them."
MANY? like fuk Clive. your "opinion" is uneducated and doing nothing to promote the industry in a positive light, you are undoing alot of hard work people in the transport industry have done with regard to public perception. In this country rail is only effective for containerised or bulk cargo. There will always be: log trucks from the forest to the rail head. Trucks servicing the farming industry, cattle, milk, fert. Trucks doing in town delerveries, goods, construction materials. Perishable goods that cant sit in rail yards. Goods that will be stolen or vandalised in rail yards. Trucks carrying loads to big for train tunnels. We could list *many* more. One of the issues being the cost of double or tripple handling things for such a short distance.
It is F*#KWITS like this Clive who are spouting anti trucking drivel like this, that are not helping anyone who understands the problems of transport in this country, solve the problems. Those quotes were cut and paste in case someone edits it.
philltauranga,
Dec 27, 2:13pm
As for this bit: "So, if a driver loses attention and drifts into the path of an oncoming vehicle, police blame the lack of attention, not the lack of a median barrier."
Clive, think about it, a median barrier on a 2 lane road? How do you think things like massive 200ton transformers are delivered to places like power stations in Taupo? by a f#&king helicopter? NO dipsh1t they go on the back of a very big truck, not a ship, not a train, a very big truck, driving down the middle of the road. As do all the large diggers, bulldozers, cranes, prefabricated components and virtually all the oversize peices needed to built every thing from roads to buildings to industrial outfits, ect SO, HOW THE F@#K CAN WE DO THAT WITH A CENTER BARRIER ON A TWO LANE ROAD. dipsh1t. Dont you think a wide center with 2 centerlines is much more suitable for a 2 lane state highway?
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