Just curious, why more car makers are seem to drop the keyless entry and going back to key ignition? Like my Toyota Ractis 2006 has one while the 2012 don't!.
allan66,
Jul 10, 6:51am
There have been cases overseas where people have inadvertently activated their cars engine while parked in the garage resulting in carbon monoxide poisoning. Toyota has been sued.
Let's go back to cars having a proper 1/4 turn of the key to switch on the ignition and a decent-size button to press to start the engine. That makes it feel like you are actually doing something important!
db.price,
Jul 10, 7:35am
Try finding a car now without keyless entry and pushbutton start
vtecintegra,
Jul 10, 7:35am
They aren't, you just went from a higher specification car to a lower specification one
motig,
Jul 10, 7:37am
Honestly I think keyless is terrible. Much prefer the days when you could just get a couple of spare keys cut for a pittance, now you have to pay several hundred dollars and probably a reprogram for 1 spare.
db.price,
Jul 10, 8:15am
Personally I love it and so dies my wife. Keys go in your pocket or in her case purse. No fumbling around for them in the dark. Though I think that the Tesla 3 and I assume S option of it linked to smart phone may be a little too far. Maybe.
Also on those cold mornings I do see a benefit in remote starting too.
framtech,
Jul 10, 3:52pm
All good and well till the body module shits itself, then all sorts of issues pop up, doors won't unlock, windows won't go down etc personally I would prefer manual locks and door window winders to keep the weight down, all this extra crap has doubled the curb weight of cars.
pauldw,
Jul 10, 4:44pm
Some like Kia only offer proximity keys 2 or 3 steps up from base model.
sw20,
Jul 10, 4:47pm
Tesla Model 3 also comes with a credit card sized ‘key’ that works like current key fobs.
intrade,
Jul 10, 6:32pm
the keless system is all god and fine if it works. if it stops working and no one has tools or parts to fix it is when the problems begin. i said this more then once i was on a training with aecs 2 days just for the nissan i-key programming . a cut wire on the windscreen where the remote antenna is for keyless inside the rear view mirror and you have a no start and its on non of the wiring diagramms.
db.price,
Jul 10, 6:42pm
Yeah but the card is there generally as the "key" you lend someone. The phone app is the main key.
db.price,
Jul 10, 6:50pm
Just took a look. With the exception of the Cerato (and I suspect the info has just not been uodated) all Kia models come with remote keyless entry. Even the Picanto which has a Base model of under $19k.
kazbanz,
Jul 10, 6:52pm
When it comes to the keyless system Toyota and others with the same setup have it right. A massive reduction in moving parts
db.price,
Jul 10, 6:57pm
That seems more like an issue with people leaving the car running rather than it starting inadvertently. Pretty sure our car won't turn off if it is still in drive. Also it beeps like crazy as soon as the fob leaves the car and it is still running.
nice_lady,
Jul 10, 7:12pm
Our Hyundai Elantra has the Keyless entry. No remote start. If you have the car running and leave the car with the door open there are no beeps. If you leave the car running and exit the car and shut the door it beeps a lot. My main concern with the keyfob 'keyless' is the cost of replacement. I do know that if the battery goes flat the fob actually has a physical key hiding within it which will open the door the car then will start if you press the magnetised end of the fob onto the start button. So I guess if you broke the keyfob or it died for some reason it's still going to be useable to start the car - if you lose it that's when it gets expensive ! I reckon some or maybe most of the dealers use replacement keyfobs as a bit of a cash cow some of the prices they've been reported as charging were absolutely ridiculous.
pauldw,
Jul 10, 7:30pm
I was looking at the Sportage. 2wd LX and EX come with remote keyless entry and only LTD gets proximity key. To me remote keyless entry is just standard remote central locking, you still need the remote in your hand.
pauldw,
Jul 10, 7:43pm
You'll just have more reason to look after your handbag. For most men the missing key will be in trousers on their bedroom floor. If they've left their pants somewhere else I guess missing keys are the least of their problems.
807,
Jul 10, 7:57pm
I have an import Corolla 2004 with proximity key . Toyota were doing this for their home market way back then, but has key ignition. Great system, push button on drivers door to lock, hold on to door handle to unlock. No such system for NZ new Toyotas back then, of course.
nice_lady,
Jul 10, 8:39pm
The only down side is when you get home you get out of the car, lock it by pressing the button on the door handle THEN you have to fiddle around in your bag for the actual key for the house.
desmodave,
Jul 10, 8:51pm
Had my transponder sitting on the seat stopped to open the gate , jump back in the car and the transponder slides off the side of the seat and down between the seat and center console . Can't find the bugger so run inside for the other 1 and carry on heading to work thinking i would find it after work . As yet no 1 has found it .Was heading over to Christchurch so thought i would get a spare key cut then all i have to do is unlock the car and i am good to go . First big Hardware shop says no we can't do it try here . Go to where they suggested and get told no cant do it , it has a chip in it . I say its only a key the transponder part is in my hand . He says its a Nissan it will have a chip , i say yes and that chip is in my hand . Then wants to see the car to see where the transponder slots in the dash . I mention the slot is just to hold it . Back to the shop where he then places the key inside some sort of machine ( to test it i'm guessing ) then picks a blank key from the wall , cuts it and says that will be $5 thank you . Bloody cheap me thinks , but also think the 1st shop probably thought it had a chip so just said no we can't do it .
The keys' just a key of course - it slides into the fob. You still need to fob to start the car but it'll work even with a dead battery as it operates from a magnet in the end of the fob when pressed up to the ignition button.
desmodave,
Jul 11, 4:00am
Are you talking to any1 in particular ? or are you just saying a key is a key so people understand a key is a key .
db.price,
Jul 11, 4:29am
Many keyless fobs actually have keys inside them as an emergency back up.
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